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Re: Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus not contained

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Coronavirus will burn itself out in May when temperatures rise. Just like common flu virus, increasing sunlight and humidity will stop the spread of the virus during summer. Source: professor John Nicholls a clinical professor in pathology at the University of Hong Kong and expert on coronaviruses had a conference call where he explained most likely outcome. transcript here: https://www.fwdeveryone.com/t/puzmZFQGRTii…

You’re projecting a lot more certainty than the experts have about that: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/02/what-happ... Additionally, even if there is seasonality, it may be that this has already spread too far to die out completely and cases will rise again in the northern hemisphere toward the end of 2020.

I'm projecting the same level of likelihood (not certainty) as one of the experts in coronaviruses (not just general expert in epidemiology)

Third of third of common colds are caused by coronaviruses and they they show clear seasonal pattern (SARS don't because it's mostly human-animal transmitted). You can't say for certain that it's the case for this virus but it's very likely.

Re: Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus not contained

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I don't know if it's really worth engaging with this nonsense. It looks just like other coronaviruses, there is nothing about it that looks man-made. If it was man-made, don't you think the Chinese government would have locked things down more aggressively as soon as they realised it was out? After all, in this scenario they would know exactly how dangerous it is. >Where every big government is actively working on cr…

Not buying into this sort of conspiracy theory myself, but since I'm reading some Cixin Liu I'll indulge in some creative thinking. - This is pure fiction: Seeing this as an offensive weapon, if it were indeed man-made, is a mistake imo. Right now the market is cratering, China is pretty much in economic lock down (which would have been impossible to enact otherwise), while being self sustained. Population of elders…

>I think that by the end of whatever _that_ is, China comes out on top from a game theory perspective.

The trade war has already been causing manufacturers to consider the wisdom of their supply chain strategies. China is currently an export driven economy trying to transition to a domestic consumption led economy but hasn't done so yet. Anything that leads manufacturers to put more of their capacity near their large markets in Europe and the US is very bad strategically for China right now.

This is a disaster for China if it causes a manufacturing shift out of China before they have made a consumer transition.

Re: Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus not contained

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This may seem silly but this is one of my first confirmations about how serious this is.

Given how Japan handled the Diamond Princess situation, it's a foregone conclusion they are not equipped to handle it, so more than likely the Olympics will be cancelled. They just can't risk it. Athletes/Peoples safety can't be risked, the "Olympic" brand cant be risked.

Athletes are one thing.

The international flocking of people to one already overcrowded location is another.

Re: Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus not contained

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Are the effect of the coronavirus on the stock market could be opportunity for investing? The SP500 went down 8% this past 4 days. I'm wondering if that will go lower those next days. I have a bit amount of money on the side, I didn't know where to invest. Would now be a good opportunity to lump sum all the money, or would you Dollar Cost Average? Anyone else with the same dilemma, and would have more arguments?

the vulture approach to investing tends to be materially profitable yet karmically ruinous

Re: Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus not contained

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Except that humans are much less binary than fight or flight and capable of nuanced reactions so the entire comparison is baloney. There is a cost to living in a constant state of fear and preparation, the opportunity costs are massive.

In many aspects humans are more capable, but not all. Humans don't have to look at an animal for a few days to figure out if it's a mouse or a fox. But for people infected with the Coronavirus we are not more capable: the first 2-14 days a person is infected with the Coronavirus we cannot see it. Only medical tests can, and we can't test everybody around us. So the smartest might be to run away 100 times to avoid the…

Or just wash your hands ...

Re: Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus not contained

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> I think when this all comes to an end, China will be one of the countries that dealt with the virus the best. Countries without authoritarian governments likely don't have the means to effectively quarantine major cities and shut down massive portions of their economy immediately without major problems arising. Given a couple weeks, sure, but by then it will be too late. It may well seem that way in retrospect. Whe…

Do you really think it will be any different in the USA or Europe? Will the governments ban conventions? Close restaurants and bars? Shut down shopping malls? Or will instead, in the interest of "the economy" (ie, money) keep too light a hand on things. Basically I don't expect the west to be able to react to this any better if it gets big. Their populations are uncontrollable (for mostly good reason) but in this par…

> in the interest of "the economy" (ie, money)

this is childish. "the economy" is the thing that makes everything you have, and the food you eat and medicines you need. there's very good reason to not just turn it all off.

Re: Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus not contained

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Referencing the http://coronavirus-realtime.com/ website, the graph of the number of infections over time is suspiciously non-exponential right now. I think China and the rest of the world are both struggling to collect data on confirmed cases.

This site is garbage and needs to be deleted, making money off of https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.h...

Re: Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus not contained

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I've been checking for updates on the virus several times a day since it first started being reported in Western media around Jan 20 (in part because it's been a fun distraction, in part because I have friends in Wuhan). I like to think I'm generally an optimist, but I think it's been clear for several weeks now that this is going to have a significant worldwide impact. There are just too many factors in favor of unc…

It's worth reflecting on how many novel pandemics a 40 year old person has experienced in their lifetime. HIV, SARS, MERS, Ebola, Zika, COVID-19... For some reason it feels like a "only in the history books" event -- and yet it's actually quite common. The average-aged American (38) has lived through multiple epidemics -- including one that has killed 30 million people (HIV) -- and yet we barely talk about it.

70 year olds too have their own virus stories outside the 40 year period you mention. Especially 1957 and 1968 (indian context). Biowarfare paranoia aside, I don’t think there is anything special about the modern era when it comes to the genesis of new viruses.

Re: Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus not contained

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Coronavirus will burn itself out in May when temperatures rise. Just like common flu virus, increasing sunlight and humidity will stop the spread of the virus during summer. Source: professor John Nicholls a clinical professor in pathology at the University of Hong Kong and expert on coronaviruses had a conference call where he explained most likely outcome. transcript here: https://www.fwdeveryone.com/t/puzmZFQGRTii…

transmission curves for MERS and SARS are looking scary.

We're still Feb.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East_respiratory_syndro...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severe_acute_respiratory_syndr...

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