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Age, Sex, Existing Conditions of Covid-19 Cases and Deaths

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Re: Age, Sex, Existing Conditions of Covid-19 Cases and Deaths

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Actually, multiple orders of magnitude...The Flu has a mortality rate of 2 per 100k [1]. [1] https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/flu.htm [edited - reformatted numbers to avoid localization issues]

Commas and decimals are not interchangeable

And US doesn’t set worldwide standards for their use.

Re: Age, Sex, Existing Conditions of Covid-19 Cases and Deaths

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There’s something off about Iran. According to Wikipedia [0], Spanish Flu killed a much higher percentage in Iran too, in comparison with the rest of the world: “The World Health Organization estimates that 2–3% of those who were infected died (case-fatality ratio). [...] In Iran, the mortality was very high: according to an estimate, between 902,400 and 2,431,000, or 8% to 22% of the total population died.” — source…

It's hard to find up to date records filtered by country, but they might have higher count of the ACE2 enzyme which is thought to be an entry point for coronaviruses. Asian populations have much higher count than other populations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angiotensin-converting_enzyme_...

Source for Asians having more? This disagrees: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https:/...

Re: Age, Sex, Existing Conditions of Covid-19 Cases and Deaths

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Compared to many other countries, the United States has unpredictably overpriced medical costs that specifically burden the patient. my concern is that it's trained many people (especial those living paycheck to paycheck) to simply not seek medical services unless their condition demands the emergency room. I feel this economic reality will create conditions advantagous to the spread of Covid 19 in the United States.

I think you're pretty far off the mark here. >90% of people have healthcare coverage in the U.S.[1]. Those that don't are likely illegal or homeless or in some way don't qualify for medical coverage (I also don't know how prisoners are counted in the data). Many people I know visit the doctor way more often than they need to or should (I know those who receive it free to purchase it to use employer insurance - like m…

I have heard multiple times that one of the problems with American healthcare is that we are over treated. Part of the reason our healthcare costs are so much higher is because we tend to get large amounts of doctor visits, presciptions, and procedures compared to other nations. I wonder how this squares with the notion I keep seeing about how Americans will avoid the doctor as much as possible?

Re: Age, Sex, Existing Conditions of Covid-19 Cases and Deaths

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We need real data, not theories. Hopefully we'll get it soon.

This article literally is data.

It's incomplete data, that is being combined in ways to give certain impressions, that aren't necessarily backed by actual medical science.

Re: Age, Sex, Existing Conditions of Covid-19 Cases and Deaths

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Doctors and nurses are exposed to a much higher viral load than most people. In Wuhan, they may also overwork and have insufficient sleep.

> higher viral load What is "higher viral load"? Isn't it binary - you are either infected or not?

Exposure to a virus doesn't ensure infection - there is some probability involved, depending at least partially on the number of virus particles that you are exposed to, over what period of time.

Viral load is literally a numerical expression of the quantity of virus in a given volume. It is often expressed as viral particles, or infectious particles per mL depending on the type of assay. And a higher viral load often correlates with the severity of an active viral infection.

Re: Age, Sex, Existing Conditions of Covid-19 Cases and Deaths

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A 1% death rate in people without known complications (even 0.2% which seems pervasive in every age group) is orders of magnitude higher than for instance flu. And it spreads easily and is contagious before symptoms. Sounds like something you should be aware of.

Actually, multiple orders of magnitude...The Flu has a mortality rate of 2 per 100k [1]. [1] https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/flu.htm [edited - reformatted numbers to avoid localization issues]

That's 2 per 100k of the overall population, not 2 per 100k who get sick.

Re: Age, Sex, Existing Conditions of Covid-19 Cases and Deaths

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The general issue with this measure of mortality (dead/(infected + dead)) is that you're assuming that the infected won't die. In a disease that is exponentially growing, a better approximation of evaluating your survival chances is to look at the death to recovery rate (dead / (recovered + dead)). Based on the available data [1], we are closer to 7.8% than 2% mortality, which is closer to the final mortality rate of…

Your formula has the opposite problem, by looking at cases that have a known outcome you are biasing results towards cases that end quickly (in particular cases that end in death).

For a proper estimate we should look at cases where the infection is known to have begun e.g. a month ago. Then the mortality rate should be somewhere between dead/infected and dead/(dead + recovered).

Re: Age, Sex, Existing Conditions of Covid-19 Cases and Deaths

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A 1% death rate in people without known complications (even 0.2% which seems pervasive in every age group) is orders of magnitude higher than for instance flu. And it spreads easily and is contagious before symptoms. Sounds like something you should be aware of.

Actually, multiple orders of magnitude...The Flu has a mortality rate of 2 per 100k [1]. [1] https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/flu.htm [edited - reformatted numbers to avoid localization issues]

>The Flu has a mortality rate of 2 per 100k Nope, it doesn't. Mortality rate is not the same as annual deaths per capita. The number you quoted refers to the same context as traffic-related deaths per 100,000 population, which is 3.1 per 100,000 in the UK. This doesn't mean that if you are in traffic-related incident, you only have a 0.0031% of dying! Same with influenza - the mortality rate is 0.1%-0.15% (average season) up to 1.25%-5% (pandemic flu) [1]

[1] https://www.globalsecurity.org/security/ops/hsc-scen-3_flu-p...

Re: Age, Sex, Existing Conditions of Covid-19 Cases and Deaths

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The mortality rate may seem very low, but the symptoms are far more severe. When you get the flu it's rare you get pneumonia, not so much with this virus. The biggest problem is that it spreads without symptoms. That is, you can be infected & contagious for days (some Dr's suspect up to 3 weeks) and not have a clue because you seem perfectly healthy. So this has the potential to spread like wild fire. Further, 2 days…

> Further, 2 days ago some numbers out of China stated that up to 14% of previously infected became infected again. The numbers weren't that 14% became infected again. They were that 14% were found to still have the virus after being declared recovered. Many are speculating this doesn't mean reinfection, but could be an indicator that the tests have a higher false-negative rate than previously believed, or that peopl…

yeah, I couldn't find a source for this either. There are a few cases apparently, and there's still a lot about the virus that is unknown, but it doesn't look to be that high.. it could also be false-negatives that might explain this.., but it could theoretically also be that the virus is "bi-phasic", "meaning the disease appears to go away before recurring."

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-japan/japane...

Re: Age, Sex, Existing Conditions of Covid-19 Cases and Deaths

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This is the email I sent my team last night. We should consider working from home. You may all have seen the news by now. A patient was just diagnosed with COVID-19 at UC Davis after having no known contact with anyone travelling. Importantly, they were diagnosed after being intubated already for 7 days. It is suspected that this is the first known case of public transmission of the virus in the US. From what we know…

Seems like a pretty strong overreaction. The flu leads to about half a million hospitalizations in the US each year, while COVID-19 has lead to dozens. So your team is thousands of times more likely to transmit the flu then COVID-19 - even if COVID-19 is 50x more dangerous, it is far more likely that your team will cause hospitalizations due to the flu. I don't see why anyone should be taking precautions for COVID-19…

The R naught and the percent requiring advanced hospital care are the reason to be so aggressive with this. Days matter and can save hundreds, thousands, perhaps millions of lives. Watch this at about the 23:00 minute mark. https://youtu.be/-o0q1XMRKYM
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