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Re: Age, Sex, Existing Conditions of Covid-19 Cases and Deaths

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Post by AJRF »

drclau wrote: post #90
sciinfo wrote: post #52

There seems to be many cases of young patients dying in Iran. Either because there are way more cases than being officially reported or (hopefully not) the virus has mutated to affect the young more, or both. The first hypothesis is likely based on the number of infections found in international travellers who went to Iran. We still cannot rule out the second hypothesis though. A 23-year-old woman soccer player: http…

There’s something off about Iran. According to Wikipedia [0], Spanish Flu killed a much higher percentage in Iran too, in comparison with the rest of the world: “The World Health Organization estimates that 2–3% of those who were infected died (case-fatality ratio). [...] In Iran, the mortality was very high: according to an estimate, between 902,400 and 2,431,000, or 8% to 22% of the total population died.” — source…

It's hard to find up to date records filtered by country, but they might have higher count of the ACE2 enzyme which is thought to be an entry point for coronaviruses. Asian populations have much higher count than other populations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angiotensin-converting_enzyme_...

Re: Age, Sex, Existing Conditions of Covid-19 Cases and Deaths

#102

Post by rootusrootus »

hutzlibu wrote: post #61
eecc wrote: post #35

People, if you haven’t yet go get the seasonal flu vaccine. Reduces burden on strained ops and your risk of getting double tapped

But please inform yourself before. In my area in germany for example, the flu is already peaking, so it would be actually harmful to get the vaccine now, as the protection time is around 2 weeks later(I think) and the vaccine temporarily lowers your immune system. Which means, getting the vaccine now means actually a higher risk of getting the real flu (or something else). Vaccines should be taken ahead of the season…

> the vaccine temporarily lowers your immune system

Medical science seems to disagree with you.

Edit: And HN disagrees with me. Have we become Reddit? On second thought, don't answer that. Bro science has a long tradition on HN just like anywhere else.

Re: Age, Sex, Existing Conditions of Covid-19 Cases and Deaths

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Post by macinjosh »

drclau wrote: post #90
sciinfo wrote: post #52

There seems to be many cases of young patients dying in Iran. Either because there are way more cases than being officially reported or (hopefully not) the virus has mutated to affect the young more, or both. The first hypothesis is likely based on the number of infections found in international travellers who went to Iran. We still cannot rule out the second hypothesis though. A 23-year-old woman soccer player: http…

There’s something off about Iran. According to Wikipedia [0], Spanish Flu killed a much higher percentage in Iran too, in comparison with the rest of the world: “The World Health Organization estimates that 2–3% of those who were infected died (case-fatality ratio). [...] In Iran, the mortality was very high: according to an estimate, between 902,400 and 2,431,000, or 8% to 22% of the total population died.” — source…

> There’s something off about Iran.

Iran is a theocratic authoritarian regime under extreme international sanctions. Might have something to do with that. Iran also only has 0.2 hospital beds per 1k people.

Re: Age, Sex, Existing Conditions of Covid-19 Cases and Deaths

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Post by bart_spoon »

adeptus wrote: post #19
tarkin2 wrote: post #4

It's symptoms are pneumonia-like and it mainly kills the elderly. Is this is a new strain of pneumonia? If so, this seems like an overreaction? Edit: Not sure what the downvotes are about. I asked a question. So you can't fight it with drugs, it's highly contagious, hard to initially detect, its long-term effects are unknown, most have recovered and it's largely fatal to the elderly or those with existing conditions.

The mortality rate may seem very low, but the symptoms are far more severe. When you get the flu it's rare you get pneumonia, not so much with this virus. The biggest problem is that it spreads without symptoms. That is, you can be infected & contagious for days (some Dr's suspect up to 3 weeks) and not have a clue because you seem perfectly healthy. So this has the potential to spread like wild fire. Further, 2 days…

> Further, 2 days ago some numbers out of China stated that up to 14% of previously infected became infected again.

The numbers weren't that 14% became infected again. They were that 14% were found to still have the virus after being declared recovered. Many are speculating this doesn't mean reinfection, but could be an indicator that the tests have a higher false-negative rate than previously believed, or that people's bodies purge the virus in spurts as recovery takes place.

Re: Age, Sex, Existing Conditions of Covid-19 Cases and Deaths

#105

Post by joosters »

swader999 wrote: post #88
joosters wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reference for that, please?

In the who presentation, Dr Bruce Aylward mentioned this. I'll try to dig up the exact spot in the clip for you. At 1:07:44 this is discussed in depth: https://youtu.be/-o0q1XMRKYM

Thanks for the link! He says that there have been door to door testing of temperatures, and I'd nitpick by saying that's not quite the same thing as testing everyone for the virus, but it is better coverage than I had realised.

Re: Age, Sex, Existing Conditions of Covid-19 Cases and Deaths

#106

Post by logicchains »

rootusrootus wrote: post #102
hutzlibu wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But please inform yourself before. In my area in germany for example, the flu is already peaking, so it would be actually harmful to get the vaccine now, as the protection time is around 2 weeks later(I think) and the vaccine temporarily lowers your immune system. Which means, getting the vaccine now means actually a higher risk of getting the real flu (or something else). Vaccines should be taken ahead of the season…

> the vaccine temporarily lowers your immune system Medical science seems to disagree with you. Edit: And HN disagrees with me. Have we become Reddit? On second thought, don't answer that. Bro science has a long tradition on HN just like anywhere else.

Yep, it actually takes decades to lower the immune system: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2870374/ .

Re: Age, Sex, Existing Conditions of Covid-19 Cases and Deaths

#107

Post by swader999 »

AJRF wrote: post #101
drclau wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s something off about Iran. According to Wikipedia [0], Spanish Flu killed a much higher percentage in Iran too, in comparison with the rest of the world: “The World Health Organization estimates that 2–3% of those who were infected died (case-fatality ratio). [...] In Iran, the mortality was very high: according to an estimate, between 902,400 and 2,431,000, or 8% to 22% of the total population died.” — source…

It's hard to find up to date records filtered by country, but they might have higher count of the ACE2 enzyme which is thought to be an entry point for coronaviruses. Asian populations have much higher count than other populations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angiotensin-converting_enzyme_...

Once the beds are all occupied it doesn't matter how many a country has.

Re: Age, Sex, Existing Conditions of Covid-19 Cases and Deaths

#108

Post by Mergocil »

zerkten wrote: post #70
sciinfo wrote: post #52

There seems to be many cases of young patients dying in Iran. Either because there are way more cases than being officially reported or (hopefully not) the virus has mutated to affect the young more, or both. The first hypothesis is likely based on the number of infections found in international travellers who went to Iran. We still cannot rule out the second hypothesis though. A 23-year-old woman soccer player: http…

> There seems to be many cases of young patients dying in Iran. Either because there are way more cases than being officially reported or (hopefully not) the virus has mutated to affect the young more, or both. They could easily have had an undiagnosed underlying condition that made them more susceptible to complications. This is to be expected in places like Iran with severe limitations in their healthcare system. I…

Yes, or a specific HLA type that is more prevalent in the population.

Re: Age, Sex, Existing Conditions of Covid-19 Cases and Deaths

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Post by ufo »

LandR wrote: post #39
eecc wrote: post #35

People, if you haven’t yet go get the seasonal flu vaccine. Reduces burden on strained ops and your risk of getting double tapped

Isn't this something you can only get if you are in at risk group? I can't go to my doctor and just get a flu shot, I don't think?

In Brazil they usually restrict the flu vaccine to just risk groups at the start of the vaccination campaign, but after that they open it up for everyone if there is still leftover stock.

Re: Age, Sex, Existing Conditions of Covid-19 Cases and Deaths

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Post by jaas »

Iv wrote: post #86

Ok, time for a rant. If you looked at that table and went like "Oh, just 0.2% for me, great! No need to worry!" you are a terrible person. Even just at 0.2%, a billion people infected would result in more casualties than most recent conflicts. Eradicating diseases is possibly the most noble, the most obviously good behavior that humans can have. And here we have the opposite, people spreading it because of carelessne…

"If you looked at that table and went like "Oh, just 0.2% for me, great! No need to worry!" you are a terrible person."

Or, with a bit more empathy, they just haven't put it in the right context yet.

Any death from this is unfortunate, but many things can kill you and many people have accepted a low mortality percentage for lots of things. They may just initially perceive that smallish number as another one among many (e.g. the normal flu, biking). It may be a big number compared to other stuff, but it looks small and I can see how people might be dismissive. That doesn't make them terrible people, they just don't (yet?) have the perspective that you do.

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