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Which country are you from?
Based on info OP provided, Croatia
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If the Wuhan authorities quarantined everybody that traced back to attending the mass dinners at the same early stage in the same way that the Italian and South Korean authorities are doing now, then the people infected in Hubei be at 60,000 or so now. The quarantine came in too little too late to control the situation in Wuhan, and only helped to contain the virus in other provinces of China, not fully contain it.
> the people infected in Hubei be at 60,000 or so now. The people infected in Hubei are at about 60k or so now. Actually slightly lower. Were you trying to say something else?? 60k is pretty impressive considering all the other apocalyptic "worse case" scenarios being published in various academic journals a few weeks ago based on "conservative models".
Won't be.
And 60k is not pretty impressive considering that many people already died without a proper diagnosis and was not included in the official counts. There is no trust that the reported numbers are reflective of the situation on the ground - in fact it is likely to be the tip of the iceberg.
Re: Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus not contained
#803I've been checking for updates on the virus several times a day since it first started being reported in Western media around Jan 20 (in part because it's been a fun distraction, in part because I have friends in Wuhan). I like to think I'm generally an optimist, but I think it's been clear for several weeks now that this is going to have a significant worldwide impact. There are just too many factors in favor of unc…
> I think when this all comes to an end, China will be one of the countries that dealt with the virus the best. Countries without authoritarian governments likely don't have the means to effectively quarantine major cities and shut down massive portions of their economy immediately without major problems arising. Given a couple weeks, sure, but by then it will be too late.
Personally I think it was the PRC's actions that made the spread so bad in the first place. They tried to hide it at first and only stopped when they no longer could. I see no reason to expect their actions to be better than non-authoritarian governments when it's said and done, but I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
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> I think when this all comes to an end, China will be one of the countries that dealt with the virus the best. Countries without authoritarian governments likely don't have the means to effectively quarantine major cities and shut down massive portions of their economy immediately without major problems arising. Given a couple weeks, sure, but by then it will be too late. It may well seem that way in retrospect. Whe…
> When it does, just remember that those same authoritarian governments are the ones who played down the threat, lied, covered up to save face, imprisoned whistleblowers, and refused to let international experts in. This doesn’t address the commenter’s claim that China did the best job of completely shutting their infrastructure down and quarantining the virus effectively. They did make their bed, but they also laid…
The OP said "I think when this all comes to an end, China will be one of the countries that dealt with the virus the best." Had they dealt with it better initially, the might never have needed such draconian actions. "They made their bed" implies they did _not_ deal with it well at least initially.
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Watch some of the videos on Twitter and it is easy to understand why those words were used.
You can make this claim about any group, minority or not. Every single group of people has bad apples and some groups are even 51%+ bad but trying to use anecdotal evidence from twitter as proof is really not great. Additionally using epithets and dehumanization of any group no matter what they've done is a road to more hate and violence and will never resolve anything. I find it pretty ironic that some on the left a…
> that takes you right back to what they claim to be fighting.
... is also the kind of editorialising we don't need, when describing political views that don't align yours.
Shall we stop, or what?
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The dumb part of all of this is how the gov. and the IOC handled the summer olympics up to this point. For instance there was the discussion around the marathon, where runners would be at serious risk when running outdoors in the middle of the summer in Tokyo. Yet it took months and months of discussions, stupid alternatives (including "let's change Tokyo's time during the Olympics so the marathon starts at the plann…
I have to imagine the heat/humidity is just as bad in places like LA/Atlanta that have previously hosted the summer olympics. Did they just not care about heatstroke back then?
Yes, and they ran the Atlanta one at 7AM. That was also the plan at some point for Tokyo.
There was a Doha marathon ran this year at midnight, still running at around 30°C and needing crazy heat counter measures to be runnable.
It was their test drive to see if the same setup would work for Tokyo, but it appeared the Doha marathon was still a hell to run so they gave up and moved the location to somewhere cooler.
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There was an explosion at a virology lab in Koltsovo in September last year. There were no reported infections as a result and no apparent cases of Coronavirus or anything like it in the area or any established link with Wuhan, but apparently actual evidence isn't required for some people to come to all sorts of conclusions.
> There was an explosion at a virology lab Why are conspiracy theories so irresistible to so many people?
The idea that we are in possession of special knowledge or rare insights is very compelling. This is especially true if we often find ourselves disbelieved or shown to be wrong on a regular basis, because it creates a justification for being marginalised. Ok those people might be clever, but I know things they don't so I'm still special. As a result people will consciously seek out unlikely connections or speculative ideas and latch on to them to try to get ahead of the pack.
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> IMHO, it's from Koltsovo Why do you think it comes from Koltsovo, in Russia?
If explosion can break all windows in the lab, then it can break some vials too. Koltsevo-Harbin route was used regularly by tourists.
It gets even weaker, Harbin is the opposite end of China from Wuhan and has the second lowest levels of the disease of all the regions in China, beaten only by Tibet. But if it was spread to tourists through the population in Koltsovo, how come there isn't a significant outbreak in Koltsovo? How many Chinese tourists were given the special tour of a blown up virology lab?
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if you give a million monkeys a typewriter and wait a million years, you're bound to get all works of Shakespeare by chance alone. yes, bad luck, but the fact it happened illustrates the scale.
> if you give a million monkeys a typewriter and wait a million years You'll have faeces and dead monkeys everywhere. Lets assume you have a million monkeys pressing 10 keys per second for 1 million years. You'd get somewhere in the region of 10^21 letters, or Lets ignore punctuation, numbers, capitals etc, and assume there's just a choice of 26 letters You'd be insanely lucky to find "all the world's a stage" somewh…
He's just doing his take on probability not literally. That's like if I asked you: How many second are in a year?
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> > The fact that millions of people are still racists nowadays doesn't mean we should accept that either.
> You do have to share a country with them, and may rely on them some day to save your skin, so it would probably be a good idea for you to treat them like equals, unless you're looking for a civil war.
See I actually think that it's a good thing to call for, say , "stamp out racism". Cause I don't think it's real healthy for a population to just accept racism because, well, you gotta share a country with them.
Would you say this if you believed there was an actual possibility that, one day the target of their racism would be you?
Just imagine that you're living in your country, born there etc, but the brewing racist population happens to not include your particular ethnic group, and it may not be right now, but there is really no reason why they would not continue being racists, well you know, they per definition don't like sharing a country with anyone.
Everywhere in the world and history where such a situation occurred, it happened with some amount of tension and suffering (ranging from economic inequality to holocaust).
I can only imagine someone saying "well they may be racist but you gotta share a country with them" if they were certain to expect to come out on top, given such tensions.
There will also be groups that come out on the bottom, badly. But apparently it doesn't matter if you treat them as equals and share a country with them?
> There are no Nazis today. There's a tiny smattering of people that go around playing dress-up, probably mostly undercover government agents or informants, but the NSDAP is a defunct political organization.
While you are technically correct about the NSDAP ...
I think you're underestimating the amount of neonazis today. Not all of them are quite as on-the-nose with their logo as these guys, for instance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Dawn_(political_party)#...
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These are not just people playing dress-up: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Dawn_(political_party)#...