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Post by jstewartmobile »

r721 wrote: post #181
jstewartmobile wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it is. It's just some finance guy in his drawers making shit up over videos shot halfway across the world. Read up on this guy. One glance at his fat pasty face, and it's obvious that he's never been anywhere near a war zone: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliot_Higgins edit: and since DyslexicAtheist has been grayed out, I will second his " hope the Russians slip him something into his tea one day. " to r721:…

So you support extrajudicial assassinations when it's someone you don't like? You would probably be up in arms if someone would write here "hope CIA slip something into Assange's tea one day."

Interesting how you go for my value system, rather than provide additional information which might make Elliot Higgins look a little less like the inexperienced, uncredentialed, paid bullshit operator that he is.

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Post by Darvon »

joosters wrote: post #87
mcv wrote: post #34

That judge does not exactly come across as impartial in this description. I'm not a lawyer, but it does look like a mistrial of some sort. Whatever you think of Julian Assange, he deserves a fair trial, and this doesn't sound like he's getting one.

The problem is, from the very first paragraph, this website doesn't come across as anything close to impartial either. So I'd suggest you find some more sources before you criticize the judge.

More information on the piece of shit Judge

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/07/11/assa-j11.html

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Post by einpoklum »

leftyted wrote: post #204
einpoklum wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assange did not "decide to confine himself" anywhere. That's like saying that if someone has threatened to beat you up if you leave your house and is waiting outside all the time, then you've "decided to confine yourself to your home". Anyway, this has all been deliberated upon by international bodies - the UN working group on arbitrary detention has come to the conclusion that Assange was being _detained_ by the UK…

The only way you, or the UN, can justify these perspectives is if you grant 0 probability that Assange was involved in the theft of state secrets or if you think he was involved, but it was okay because "the US is evil". Fine. But you can't expect the US government and its allies to accept that theory...

Like I wrote above - being a political prisoner does not make you a better person. And it doesn't make your cause just, or the state which you oppose evil.

Having said that:

1. Part of a journalist's job is to obtain state secrets and publish them. Obtaining them is often some form or another of theft. But journalism is important enough even to property-ownership-sanctifying democracies that journalists get a free pass on "borderline theft".

2. If the US had though Assange had assisted in stealing state secrets, it would have: (a) Made that accusation earlier than 13 years after the fact and (b) Demanded his extradition fair at that time. US government statements in recent years, especially Pompeo's characterization of Wikileaks, suggests other motives for the current action.

3. If you'll read the linked-to story you'll see that it is quite unlikely that Assange is guilty of what's attributed to him, even regardless of the circumstances I mentioned.

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Post by dang »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #108
baud147258 wrote: post #69

Why is he calling Bellingcat a warmongering propaganda operations and saying they've got a "source of state, corporate or institutional finance"? I though they were independent

because Elliot Higgins is an Atlantic Council puppet who gets his intel from UK spooks for strategic disemination, and responds to anyone who challenges him with "suck my balls". The guy is a information-terrorist and I hope the Russians slip him something into his tea one day.

> I hope the Russians slip him something into his tea one day.

Obviously you can't post like this here. If you keep breaking the site guidelines we are going to have to ban you. We've given you many warnings and cut you a lot of slack already. It isn't infinite.

It's in your interest to follow the site guidelines anyhow, since breaking them just makes your view look bad and alienates any open-minded readers who you might otherwise have been able to interest or convince.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by dang »

jstewartmobile wrote: post #170
baud147258 wrote: post #69

Why is he calling Bellingcat a warmongering propaganda operations and saying they've got a "source of state, corporate or institutional finance"? I though they were independent

Because it is. It's just some finance guy in his drawers making shit up over videos shot halfway across the world. Read up on this guy. One glance at his fat pasty face, and it's obvious that he's never been anywhere near a war zone: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliot_Higgins edit: and since DyslexicAtheist has been grayed out, I will second his " hope the Russians slip him something into his tea one day. " to r721:…

> I hope the Russians slip him something into his tea one day.

Obviously you can't post like this here. Please follow the site guidelines, regardless of how you feel about Bellingcat. That's in your interest too, since ranty fulmination convinces no one and discredits your view.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by jstewartmobile »

dang wrote: post #225
jstewartmobile wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it is. It's just some finance guy in his drawers making shit up over videos shot halfway across the world. Read up on this guy. One glance at his fat pasty face, and it's obvious that he's never been anywhere near a war zone: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliot_Higgins edit: and since DyslexicAtheist has been grayed out, I will second his " hope the Russians slip him something into his tea one day. " to r721:…

> I hope the Russians slip him something into his tea one day. Obviously you can't post like this here. Please follow the site guidelines, regardless of how you feel about Bellingcat. That's in your interest too, since ranty fulmination convinces no one and discredits your view. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

You got me! Fair-and-square.

Re: Assange Hearing Day 2

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Post by mnem »

have_faith wrote: post #44
mnem wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A quick search using Google news in the UK shows that all the main broadsheets and many of the tabloids have Assange related stories over the past several days at least. I don’t think it’s fair to characterise the media as disinterested.

None of the homepages I looked at today (Guardian, BBC) has a single mention of Assange. Yes they all had token articles buried somewhere though if you search.

The Guardian has it on it's UK Politics main page. That's not really buried.

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Post by earenndil »

Darvon wrote: post #222
joosters wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is, from the very first paragraph, this website doesn't come across as anything close to impartial either. So I'd suggest you find some more sources before you criticize the judge.

More information on the piece of shit Judge https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/07/11/assa-j11.html

> world socialist website

Doesn't exactly seem to be impartial either.

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

cmroanirgo wrote: post #61
k1m wrote: post #13

Murray's report of the first day of the trial also worth reading: https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/02/your-man-in-...

Interesting. > Extradition hearings are not held at Belmarsh Magistrates Court inside Woolwich Crown Court. They are always held at Westminster Magistrates Court as the application is deemed to be delivered to the government at Westminster. Now get your head around this. This hearing is at Westminster Magistrates Court. It is being held by the Westminster magistrates and Westminster court staff, but located at Belmar…

An alternate possibility is that this one reporter is too biased to report accurately. "Everyone's hiding the truth but me" is sometimes true, but not always.
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