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Secret doorway in UK Parliament leads to historical treasure trove

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Re: Secret doorway in UK Parliament leads to historical treasure trove

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In some ways the app is easy. Capturing what happens is not, especially if there's no immediate incentive to do so. And writing an app in 2020 doesn't tell you want happened in 1660. Then you have to cope with app longevity; most apps deployed in 2020 will be dead by 2030 while the Houses of Parliament will still be there (unless they burn down due to ongoing fire code issues)

Hence having "system/website/app". The system is there to conserve everything and hopefully it will transcend technologies and be easy to migrate the data to whatever comes next.

They found the plans for this in their archive. It had just been forgotten about. People are always finding forgotten treasures in the back rooms of archives, because they're full of ancient stuff and actually getting the right pair of eyeballs to recognize the importance of old stuff is really hard.

Digitizing everything helps, but the enemy is still volume, time, and money, and digitizing costs even more money.

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Most remarkable: "The bulb that still worked after 70 years" - "A light switch - probably installed in the 1950s - illuminated a large Osram bulb marked 'HM Government Property'."

Yes there is a lightbulb conspiracy among producers that deliberately and jointly shortened the life span of their products in order to ramp up sales.

Are you thinking of the Phoebus Cartel?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoebus_cartel

I suppose it's accurate to call it a conspiracy since they literally conspired to divvy up markets and set predetermined bulb lifetimes.

Re: Secret doorway in UK Parliament leads to historical treasure trove

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I wonder how much history would be lost to us if people didn't write stuff on walls. :D

I recall reading a hand-wringing article about a canyon with a lot of ancient Native American graffiti carved on the walls, and how it was in a state of crisis because modern American teenagers kept carving their own graffiti on the walls. I don't really see how we can defend the idea that the ancient graffiti is historically valuable and it's a good thing it was left there, but the modern graffiti is a menace that n…

Sounds a bit like El Morro National Monument. https://www.nps.gov/elmo/index.htm

Re: Secret doorway in UK Parliament leads to historical treasure trove

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Most remarkable: "The bulb that still worked after 70 years" - "A light switch - probably installed in the 1950s - illuminated a large Osram bulb marked 'HM Government Property'."

Just an note, the article got the text wrong here.

The bulb actually reads: "Property of H.M. Government."

Re: Secret doorway in UK Parliament leads to historical treasure trove

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post #65

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Yes there is a lightbulb conspiracy among producers that deliberately and jointly shortened the life span of their products in order to ramp up sales.

There's some truth to the fact that lightbulbs don't last as long as they used to; but there's a lot to unpick here. First: This bulb was not turned on, and a light-bulb in storage does not degrade, there's no oxidisation happening inside the bulb itself. Second: heavy filaments consume more power to emit light, and a heavy filament is the requirement to have a long-lived bulb Third: Even with a heavy filament, bulbs…

Also I imagine these bulbs from the 50s were more expensive than today's bulbs, no?

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post #73

My honest first question when I read this is: Isn't knowing about every single passage and doorway absolutely critical to security in a facility where high risk persons work? It seems absolutely crazy to me to think that, as a US comparison, they would let the President go anywhere that might have passages the Secret Service is unaware of.

This is a building where people are literally employed to walk the halls so that if there is a fire, it will be noticed in time to save the building. This is also a building where Parliament can be shut down for a day because a pipe burst and flooded the chambers where they deliberate. (Happened about a year ago during Brexit deliberations.) This is also a building where they know that they need to spend billions on…

>This is also a building where they know that they need to spend billions on renovations but can't.

Second line of the article: "Historians working on the renovation of the House of Commons found the lost 360-year-old passageway, hidden in a secret chamber."

Planning permission has been filed for the first phase of works, not actually on the Palace of Westminster but on the other side of Portcullis House, to renovate those buildings so that everyone can move there for the years it will take to renovate.

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From the government that destroyed all Windrush records, comes another shocking tale of incompetence with malicious undertones. Laws are written down to make them as permanently-accessible as possible, which acts as defense against capricious rulers. Anything that makes them less permanent is a small blow to the rights of everyday people.

I would argue that a law that is so seldemly referenced that all copies are lost ceased to be valid. But I understand that the British system isn't built that way and instead of creating a consolidated "constitution" rather enjoy the fun of a Speaker citing some old precedent, which nobody can know about. True excitement.

To which precedent to you refer? Most are catalogued in Erskine May.

Re: Secret doorway in UK Parliament leads to historical treasure trove

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My honest first question when I read this is: Isn't knowing about every single passage and doorway absolutely critical to security in a facility where high risk persons work? It seems absolutely crazy to me to think that, as a US comparison, they would let the President go anywhere that might have passages the Secret Service is unaware of.

Given that a comedian was able to bring a back of Swastika-themed golf balls within metres of Donald Trump (and threw some at him), despite the area being under lockdown for days, using (in total) about £300 spent on Hotel tickets and a jumper (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3_F5_JPQA0), there's only so much they can do.

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Me and my friend once discovered one when we were kids.. Dunno what age we were, say 8.. We were exploring this abandoned country estate house that was near his house.. In a library there was one shelf that was still filled with books, turns they were fake books and the shelf was a door. It led to a stone staircase going down to a little underground chapel.. It was super creepy at the time.. Awesome experience tho. I…

I wonder why anyone would take such pains to hide an innocent chapel.

There was also a fashion for adding architectural follies, for example there's a tomb in Sir John Soane's home (complete with an egyptian sarcophagus, oddly in spite of its otherwise sort of Italian vibe)[1]

1: http://explore.soane.org/#/section/sepulchral

Re: Secret doorway in UK Parliament leads to historical treasure trove

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would argue that a law that is so seldemly referenced that all copies are lost ceased to be valid. But I understand that the British system isn't built that way and instead of creating a consolidated "constitution" rather enjoy the fun of a Speaker citing some old precedent, which nobody can know about. True excitement.

To which precedent to you refer? Most are catalogued in Erskine May.

It seems many people were quite surprised about Bercow taking precedent from 1604, which seems to be from Erksine May.

This precedent certainly doesn't come from vellum, which GP misses.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-parliaments-46810616

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