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Re: Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus not contained

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Post by stef25 »

trengorilla wrote: post #566
DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #457

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> because you're angry over not getting a free face mask is a bit disrespectful toward the many people their working their asses off in times like these. my partner is a health care professional and there aren't enough masks for them (this is central Europe btw). but yeah tell me about how hard they work and how I don't appreciate them.

From what I understand the masks are utterly useless against this anyway.

They do stop you from breathing in contaminated particles, from spreading them when coughing / sneezing and they stop you touching your face with contaminated hands.

They aren't perfect because you still need proper technique when removing them and they "leak" along the sides etc. Still better than nothing, especially in crowded places.

Re: Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus not contained

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Post by _wldu »

rococode wrote: post #46

I've been checking for updates on the virus several times a day since it first started being reported in Western media around Jan 20 (in part because it's been a fun distraction, in part because I have friends in Wuhan). I like to think I'm generally an optimist, but I think it's been clear for several weeks now that this is going to have a significant worldwide impact. There are just too many factors in favor of unc…

I'm not concerned at all about getting the virus or having an outbreak in my community. That's part of life and we'll deal with it if it happens. But I am concerned that people may start panicking and become irrational. There's so much fake news out there about this. People will be panicked into buying all the food they can (whether they need it or not) and stay at home. Sort of like a snow storm forecast but worse.

News outlets really need to cover this responsibly and not incite panic. Those that do ought to be held accountable.

Re: Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus not contained

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Post by jstewartmobile »

_nkl1 wrote: post #156
rococode wrote: post #46

I've been checking for updates on the virus several times a day since it first started being reported in Western media around Jan 20 (in part because it's been a fun distraction, in part because I have friends in Wuhan). I like to think I'm generally an optimist, but I think it's been clear for several weeks now that this is going to have a significant worldwide impact. There are just too many factors in favor of unc…

> I think when this all comes to an end, China will be one of the countries that dealt with the virus the best. Countries without authoritarian governments likely don't have the means to effectively quarantine major cities and shut down massive portions of their economy immediately without major problems arising. Given a couple weeks, sure, but by then it will be too late. It may well seem that way in retrospect. Whe…

considering the strong rumors that this is an engineered biological warfare agent escaped from the lab, authoritarianism still isn't looking so hot right now.

Re: Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus not contained

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Post by LargoLasskhyfv »

paublyrne wrote: post #438
Terretta wrote: post #424

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> When it comes to authority and how people comply with the rules, France and Germany are more different than China and the US. How so?

Can't comment on France, and of course it's a generalization, but in Germany people love to follow the rules. Just watch how people cross the road without looking left or right, but obeying only the light. Sometimes other pedestrians will shout at you if you walk across the road when the light isn't green.

I'd consider it suicidal to blindly trust the lights, no matter if as pedestrian or bcyclist. But then i'm bicycling since 40 years plus in different parts of .de, always wary of every other traffic :-)

Can speak of Hamburg for about 15 years now, and since maybe about 10 years i have the feeling that at least 50% of traffic participants are absolutely insane, again no matter which mode.

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Post by TallGuyShort »

claudeganon wrote: post #475
starfallg wrote: post #471

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>I think when this all comes to an end, China will be one of the countries that dealt with the virus the best. Countries without authoritarian governments likely don't have the means to effectively quarantine major cities and shut down massive portions of their economy immediately without major problems arising. Given a couple weeks, sure, but by then it will be too late. I don't buy this argument at all. After vario…

Fear unfortunately tends to lead people to praise authoritarians because identifying with them a gives a greater (if illusory) sense of control over the situation.

See also: Trump's victory and Democratic claims of "150,000,000 killed by gun violence!"

Re: Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus not contained

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Post by jstewartmobile »

toshk wrote: post #328

A friend of mine who worked for defense creating viruses is convinced it's man made because of the way the virus is structured. Whether it's true or not. It's an interesting case, and I wonder why no one is writing about this possibilty in the media. Those ideas are quickly dismissed as crazy conspiracy theory. Where every big government is actively working on creating viruses for both defense and offense. Especially…

New York Post has got you covered!

https://nypost.com/2020/02/22/dont-buy-chinas-story-the-coro...

PS> knew I'd have to scroll to the bottom to get some sense out of this place!

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Post by trengorilla »

baq wrote: post #255
watwut wrote: post #199

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Mortality of flu is over 0.1%, with coronavirus it is over 2%. And flu has shorter incubation time. That is massive difference.

2% may be still too high, it might even be high sub 1% (e.g. .7%), but the big problem is how many of cases require hospitalization and especially intensive care. if number of ICU patients grows 10x in one month, we're all in trouble and that's seemingly what happened in China.

I don't understand how this figure keeps getting quoted.

Out of cases that have been fully resolved we're now at an 8% mortality rate. 2% is counting ongoing cases, that's not the figure you should be looking at.

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Post by gnulinux »

viraptor wrote: post #425
baq wrote: post #366

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slowing down the virus is required while hospital capacity is being scaled up.

And while we're quite literally waiting for the vaccine to be created. The fewer people get infected the next month or two, the better.

Realistically, creating a vaccine will take in the order of years.

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Post by hellofunk »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #397
tanilama wrote: post #323

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COVID-19 is much more powerful than any of these you mentioned before. It is SARS+, less fatal but much more infectious. In a way, it is a very successful virus (in a nightmare scenario), that aspiring to become the next flu. The Chinese scientists had admitted that, we might have to live with this virus from this time forward. It won't go away like SARS-v1. Also to note, fatality rate might seem low, but 20% of ALL…

>Also to note, fatality rate might seem low, but 20% of ALL patients will develop severe lung issue, that is what makes this virus pretty damn dangerous to us. Source?

It’s been widely reported by health officials all over the world that 80% of cases have only mild illness, but the remaining 20% have very serious illness.

Re: Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus not contained

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Post by gnulinux »

empath75 wrote: post #440
viraptor wrote: post #425

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And while we're quite literally waiting for the vaccine to be created. The fewer people get infected the next month or two, the better.

I don’t know why people are assuming we can create a vaccine. There’s no vaccine for any other corona virus.

Human coronaviruses are usually just common cold, so there was no need to make them before.
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