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Re: CDC outlines what closing schools, businesses would look like in US pandemic

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I'm advising everyone in my circle to prepare for a 30 to 45 day at-home stay and assume no stores will be open during that time. I think this is the prudent thing to do. I would also advise speaking to your neighbors to make them aware of the need to be prepared. To that point, buy a little extra of everything --well, maybe food only-- so you can help a few people out during what is likely to be a difficult time. Ha…

Since you asked, >I'm advising everyone in my circle to prepare for a 30 to 45 day at-home stay and assume no stores will be open during that time. I think this is the prudent thing to do. I think that's the paranoid thing to do. I'm stocking up a bit so that I can stay inside if I personally get sick, but that doesn't require 30-45 days of supplies. I don't even really have room for that much stuff in my tiny apartm…

Well, I would avise you not to map your own deficiencies onto others. If you don't have enough room for a 30 day supply of essentials and would think a neighbor approaching you with concern for your own safety would make them "a bit off" to the point that you would "avoid talking to them from then on"...well, not sure what to say.

I know all of my neighbors, well, at least somewhere between 30 to 40 of them. We've known them for years, decades in some cases. We actually have gatherings at each other's homes every so often. Try it, it's called contact with humanity. Not that hard. Neighbors are human beings, just like you. Sure, it requires a bit of effort, but anyone can do it.

> I think that's the paranoid thing to do

Yikes. More of the above. Sorry you feel that way. Ask the people in Wuhan it they think such a recommendation might be paranoid. Or how about the 1,000 people in Spain who just got quarantined in a hotel. Of the 300+ in Austria?

Proposing families and individuals prepare for a potentially extended quarantine isn't paranoid, it's caring enough about other to make sure they are aware of what might lie in the horizon. In my experience not everyone is well informed. I've had many conversations with people during the last few days who a) had no idea how bad things are around the world b) had no clue there's a better than 50% probability we'll have to contend with it in the US (not my words, this was said today at the CDC press conference).

> that doesn't require 30-45 days of supplies

If we get hit hard with COVID-19 in our large cities you'll be lucky if you have to stay locked-up for just 30 days. First of all, we now think the incubation period could be as long as 27 days (this is news out of Wuhan). So, right there you have justification for 30 days as a MINIMUM period. And it is worse because you can't risk re-infection. Aside from the fact that it would absolutely implode every economy in the world and cause more death, re-infection for not observing a reasonable 30 to 45 day quarantine period is just irresponsible.

Coming back to your own situation, I refuse to believe someone doesn't have the space for 30 days worth of food and essential supplies. OK, you don't have room for stake and burgers. You have to adapt. A 50 lb bag of rice will probably feed you for a month. Not ideal, but better than nothing. Add to that, say, 3 cans for something per day (soup, meat, whatever you like) and you have the basics. Do you have room for 100 cans of food under your bed, behind the TV, under the desk, in the bathroom? Probably. Not that hard.

Anyhow, free country and all that. You get to choose which reality you get to navigate. I'd rather be responsible, coordinate with friends, family and neighbors, help each other, prepare for a reasonable set of circumstances and come out of it in good shape.

Good luck.

Re: CDC outlines what closing schools, businesses would look like in US pandemic

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What are the chances that residential electricity, gas or water get shut off as a result of an outbreak in North America? I live in a mid-sized town and we have enough dry beans and cereals to last a few months, but without hot water it would be a week at most.

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‘Mark Jurey's penny stove‘ oh lord! If the virus doesn’t get you the fire you create in your house with this surely will. Not for nothing, seriously do not do this in the house, on top of your non-functioning whatever stove. Maybe in the sink? Or better outside like the backpacking stove it is meant to be used as.

I actually have one of these I made from Guinness and soda can. It has absolutely no safety measure to prevent spilling the fuel. Tip that little can over on the top of a regular stove and you have a fire inside your stove. Ieeee

Re: CDC outlines what closing schools, businesses would look like in US pandemic

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I'm glad some people are starting to take this more seriously. We're still at least a few weeks away from a shift in mentality in the US. Right now, it's general apathy. Next, it'll be alert and preparedness. Last, it will be panic. I don't think it will reach chaos, but you certainly don't want to be at Costco in a few weeks. There's no downside in being prepared - worst case scenario you slowly consume the perishab…

Well Costco has been selling the emergency food supplies, at least out on the Olympic peninsula. Of course I’m sure some people will capitalize off the panic, I’d be tempted to dump 50k into VTSAX and head for the hills too.

Re: CDC outlines what closing schools, businesses would look like in US pandemic

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Not sure if this is the right place but what would be best for one stock up on ahead of time? I'm thinking non-perishables or stuff with a high shelf life but what else should you consider buying?

It seems reasonable to make a run to Costco or Sams club to load up on dry goods and paper supplies. Better to do so now than after a panic hits. You don't have to go all doomsday prepper and get 10 year shelf life cans of beans. But maybe enough toilet paper, ramen noodles, and bottled water to last through 30 days of not wanting to leave the house much. Anecdotally, I was in Costco last week and saw a woman shoppin…

Try to get things with some nutritional value, not just empty calories. Poor nutrition will make you more susceptible to illness, and any illness you encounter worse. If our healthcare system is overburdened, you don’t want this.

Apart from obvious things like canned beans and veggies, dry quinoa is great. It is one of the few plant-based complete protein sources, it is rich in B-vitamins (mostly found in meat - short shelf life and could become scarce) and minerals, has good fat content, has a long shelf life, is relatively affordable, and tastes really darn good. You can get organic quinoa from Costco for a good price.

Speaking of B-vitamins, if you’re not able to access meat or eggs, you may want a B12 supplement - it is vital for cellular metabolism and nervous function, and isn’t readily available from plant-derived sources. A supply of multivitamins may be a good idea in general, depending on how long your access to fresh food is impeded. Vitamin C may be important if you’re not eating much in the way of fresh fruit or veggies.

Nuts - almonds and walnuts are good. High fat, moderate protein content, good sources of certain vitamins and minerals. Good shelf life.

Some non-preserved produce have long-ish shelf lives - squash, sweet potatoes, onions, cabbage, carrots. I just got some 10lb bags of organic carrots for $5.75/bag from Costco. It’s rare to find any food for just $0.57/lb.

In short, please don’t buy 50lbs of ramen noodles and pasta and expect to come out of this healthy a month or two down the line.

Re: CDC outlines what closing schools, businesses would look like in US pandemic

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If this pandemic has exposed anything, it's that the WHO is a political entity woefully unequipped to handle any real scenario. The leadership has been seemingly downplaying this from day 1 and repeating talking points from the CCP. They are obviously trying to avoid causing panic in the financial markets, and putting that above actually informing world leaders and the public of the danger. See their recent release s…

Or maybe... they are more equipped than anyone else and are taking the proper, measured actions?

The answer to your question is no.

Re: CDC outlines what closing schools, businesses would look like in US pandemic

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"I'm thinking non-perishables or stuff with a high shelf life but what else should you consider buying?" This is by no means my area of expertise, but in provisioning for earthquakes and other disruptions, I have simply bought more of what we're already using . Not only will you not waste the items, you will keep them refreshed and current as you cycle through your (longer) queue of normal foods you eat.

This seems like odd advice to me. Nearly all of what I eat is composed primarily of meat and fresh vegetables. No amount of stocking up one what I already use is going to get me a month's worth of food. Am I really that much of an outlier?

Winter squash is a vegetable. Calabaza and hubbard squash are particularly durable.

Re: CDC outlines what closing schools, businesses would look like in US pandemic

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My workplace sent out this update not an hour ago: > From March 2nd, employees should not attend any large meetings or events that are not hosted and controlled by [company], or where attendees cannot be confirmed as following a comparable travel policy. Individual or small group meetings where you can verify the travel histories of all attendees are fine.

To clarify: Is your workplace asking you to refrain from attending meetings or events, even in your private life, unless it is directly concerning your job there?

No, this is in regards to official business travel. Personal travel is entirely separate, and is right now at the stage of "if you visit , work from home for two weeks before coming into the office."

Re: CDC outlines what closing schools, businesses would look like in US pandemic

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What are the chances that residential electricity, gas or water get shut off as a result of an outbreak in North America? I live in a mid-sized town and we have enough dry beans and cereals to last a few months, but without hot water it would be a week at most.

Not worth considering. These services generally require someone in the production facility monitoring them 24/7, along with some form of repair crews available 24/7. But, on the other hand, these are services that require 24/7 monitoring, even in the face of blizzards, earthquakes, hurricanes, or other natural disasters that severely impact physical infrastructure, and so they'll have contingency plans for "people ca…

Just a reminder to people living in California that — viruses aside — it’s generally a good idea to be prepared to lose power for stretches.

Re: CDC outlines what closing schools, businesses would look like in US pandemic

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Can you make them in cold water, just takes longer? Not sure. Or heat them in the sun? Sun tea beans??

No, most beans are toxic if not cooked. Some, such as kidney beans, become more toxic if cooked at low temperatures.

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Re: CDC outlines what closing schools, businesses would look like in US pandemic

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It's looking like Coronavirus will be rocket fuel for all things remote. Work, schooling, conferences... I think we'll see a lot of new tools and processes emerge. More companies, schools, conferences being remote friendly. Anyone seeing concrete signs of this at your employer or school yet? And what other second-order effects do you think we'll see?

> Anyone seeing concrete signs of this at your employer or school yet?

I make software in the workplace collaboration and knowledge sharing space, and we've been seeing a big uptick of interest in the last few weeks. In our case it mostly isn't because of COVID-19, I think there are a couple other macro trends that are driving interest in the space right now and then this will be another one.

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