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Google is moving EU citizens’ data to US?
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#32I feel like people don't accept that Google needs the EU less than the EU needs Google. If Google were to pull out of the EU overnight, there'd be death as a result. If the EU were to kick Google out, there might still be deaths, but none of them Google employees, and in the end it wouldn't substantially impact Google. There's no real incentive for Google to be a good actor: they have all of the leverage, and if the…
Why would Google pull out? Let's be clear about this: the EU is setting quite tame limitations on how Google uses the data they collect on EU citizens. Google doesn't need the EU in order to exist. But it would be incredibly difficult for them to justify to shareholders why they've given up an enormous market and essentially created an opportunity for a competitor to build scale freely (and then challenge them in their own market). As for getting the EU to 'kick Google out', that's not even a thing. Either Google abides by EU laws and it can operate in the EU or they can refuse in which case the EU can fine them, and seize their assets. If you think Google can operate credibly at scale in the EU with no infrastructure in the EU then I think you vastly underestimate the complexities of running an enormous website, let alone a complex multinational organisation with large engineering and sales centres in the EU.
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#33The simple suggestion would be that Google needs to ask for your citizenship status and go from there. Not sure else how to solve that. If I am an American living in the EU for a few years does the GDPR apply to me when I live there? I am going to the EU next week for 10 days. When I access my gmail from the EU what law applies?
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#34How exactly is this illegal? AFAIK, it's not illegal (per GDPR) to process EU citizen data in data controllers if the individual is no longer in the EU. _Edit_: Yes, I read the article. It looks like this person got this email notification because they had activity in London (per their resume on their website). That doesn't make the email illegal nor does it mean their activity in Italy is going to be on a non-EU con…
Have you read the article? Entirely? If yes, can you please tell me since when ITALY is not part of EU? Thanks
I think they only read the part about the UK? Maybe?
However, the article still kinda vague to me, cause I got the same email, and I'm mos def in the US.
I'm so deeply inside the US that I have no idea how to check where google stores my data, and I don't really care cause the US has some bigger orange fish to fry. And pie to bake. Ajit Pie!!
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#35> I'm an Italian citizen, living in Italy [...] and I'm fully entitled to GDPR protection and to have my data owned by a European data controller. I don't think the latter part is true. AFAIK GDPR does not give you the right do have your data owned or processed by an EU entity. GDPR does not say that. It doesn't matter where your data is stored or processed, Google must still follow GDPR rules for data about EU resid…
Yes, even if he lives outside the EU https://gdpr.eu/companies-outside-of-europe/ It applies even to non EU citizens resident in the EU.
Wait so, an an EU resident, processing my data outside of the EU is illegal under GDPR? I have a right to have it processed within the EU?
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#36I feel like people don't accept that Google needs the EU less than the EU needs Google. If Google were to pull out of the EU overnight, there'd be death as a result. If the EU were to kick Google out, there might still be deaths, but none of them Google employees, and in the end it wouldn't substantially impact Google. There's no real incentive for Google to be a good actor: they have all of the leverage, and if the…
If google were to pull out of the EU overnight without warning - as in literally shut off all their EU services, block EU connections, and (not overnight I would assume) let go of all their staff - then yes, there would be death.
Millions of mobile phones would stop working, various major systems would find they have a SPOF with google (ie. GCP) and there would be lots and lots of lost email and company documents.
It would be a huge financial problem for the EU.
For most things I think they would "recover" relatively quickly (bar the lost documents). But the effect would be so large they would legislate very very hard against it.
And it wouldn't just be the EU governments that would legislate against it. It would be governments the world over.
It would result in many major corporations being split up. Long lasting movements against centralised communications and ownership.
Google would lose. Hard.
When I think about it, we all have a lot to gain from Google pulling out of a major region overnight.
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#37kinda clickbait [edit for clarity] Please cite where [your] data is now stored and how you found that information. Cause I'm US based and I got the same email! WTF Google?
And by that, I mean I got that same email. And I definitely live in the US. Please cite sources of them actually moving [your] data to Google LLC and or US.
What do you mean by "source" ?
I haven't "heard" this story somewhere on Internet.
I did receive the email where they say they are going to move my data controller to US.
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#38I feel like people don't accept that Google needs the EU less than the EU needs Google. If Google were to pull out of the EU overnight, there'd be death as a result. If the EU were to kick Google out, there might still be deaths, but none of them Google employees, and in the end it wouldn't substantially impact Google. There's no real incentive for Google to be a good actor: they have all of the leverage, and if the…
It's the world's largest economic sphere, and Google would be liable to lose not just the 20% or so in revenue, but also their claim to operate world-wide. Suddenly, AWS would be a whole lot more useful than GCS again.
And for what? Because you and other Americans consider it somehow beneath you to know about other countries' laws? Note that while you're frustrated by the cognitive load and its impact on your jingoism, Google-the-company has no such feelings, and just pays a few lawyers who will happily get them into compliance.
Without any doubt, Google's earnings in Europe are orders of magnitude larger than whatever they're spending on in-house lawyers. Compared to their R&D, and hardware, and electricity, it's a rounding error. You're just experiencing some knee-jerk emotional reaction. And to be honest: I can't even really put my finger on how GRPC ended up seemingly threatening fragile US egos.
Also: just consider Google's endless misgivings about it'z decision to withdraw from China, even though the reasons there were far more
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#39> I'm an Italian citizen, living in Italy [...] and I'm fully entitled to GDPR protection and to have my data owned by a European data controller. I don't think the latter part is true. AFAIK GDPR does not give you the right do have your data owned or processed by an EU entity. GDPR does not say that. It doesn't matter where your data is stored or processed, Google must still follow GDPR rules for data about EU resid…
Yes, even if he lives outside the EU https://gdpr.eu/companies-outside-of-europe/ It applies even to non EU citizens resident in the EU.
Some of the examples in that article are perplexing to me. Take the example of the Colorado company they say is subject to the GDPR. What motivation does that company have not to just ignore it? Since the EU doesn't have legal authority in Colorado, does the EU block European citizens from accessing violating websites? Do they send an angry letter?
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