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Re: China bans consumption and trade of wild animals

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Post by blackrock »

cycrutchfield wrote: post #58
blackrock wrote: post #56

There is a lot of stupid and non-sense talk about how the coronavirus was created, because of Chinese people eating bats. There is no scientific evidence to support this! Instead, this exposes the deep-seated biases and prejudices, that Westerners (white people) have of Easterners, and specifically, the Chinese, in this case. It also didn’t help that the Trump Administration went on a negative media assault for the p…

Funny how you chose MERS as your example and not SARS. Intentionally trying to be disingenuous?

Then provide an alternative theory. The world would love to know where this virus came from, and how it mutated to what it is.

Re: China bans consumption and trade of wild animals

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Post by uxp100 »

Ididntdothis wrote: post #52
novaleaf wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

oh come on. At least give some anicdote to back your claim.

One thing I find concerning is that the president seems willing to use his pardoning powers for his allies. I guess Clinton did the same with Marc Rich. It certainly doesn’t look good.

And, less politically troubling, but perhaps more blatant, his half brother's cocaine conviction on his last day of office.

Re: China bans consumption and trade of wild animals

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Post by cycrutchfield »

blackrock wrote: post #61
cycrutchfield wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny how you chose MERS as your example and not SARS. Intentionally trying to be disingenuous?

Then provide an alternative theory. The world would love to know where this virus came from, and how it mutated to what it is.

Our best guess is that SARS originated from bats and jumped to humans via masked palm civets, which are typically sold in live animal markets in China. This is not just my own pet theory, you can read the extensive literature on the topic.

Re: China bans consumption and trade of wild animals

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Post by pozdnyshev »

someperson wrote: post #24

I can't see how this can be successfully enforced without a massive education campaign and actual enforcement by authorities, including moving the so-called "wet markets" (which are outdoor butchers that are very important to the food supply chain in many areas of China) into modern indoor facilities for improved food safety. Older people in China (the so-called lost generation) are set in their ways: remember that i…

>I can't see how this can be successfully enforced without a massive education campaign and actual enforcement by authorities

>China has plenty of laws including a constitution that defends practicing free speech and religion, but in reality laws mean nothing if there's no enforcement.

Are you suggesting that these practices be allowed under "freedom of religion"? In light of the public health concern, that would be erroneous. Furthermore, China does not have the same problem as the US does with a popular party representing backward, anti-scientific POVs. There is no visiblity for those kind of values outside of the Falun Gong, a fringe reactionary group that spreads conspiracy theories about aliens and organ harvesting.

Also your comment about traditional Chinese medicine is extremely orientalist. Do better hacker news.

Re: China bans consumption and trade of wild animals

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Post by blackrock »

cycrutchfield wrote: post #64
blackrock wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then provide an alternative theory. The world would love to know where this virus came from, and how it mutated to what it is.

Our best guess is that SARS originated from bats and jumped to humans via masked palm civets, which are typically sold in live animal markets in China. This is not just my own pet theory, you can read the extensive literature on the topic.

This is an already known and suspected theory. But there is no evidence that it came from eating it.

Then explain how MERS appeared. Did people of the Middle East suddenly have a gourmet taste for eating camels one day?

Re: China bans consumption and trade of wild animals

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Post by cat199 »

pozdnyshev wrote: post #65
someperson wrote: post #24

I can't see how this can be successfully enforced without a massive education campaign and actual enforcement by authorities, including moving the so-called "wet markets" (which are outdoor butchers that are very important to the food supply chain in many areas of China) into modern indoor facilities for improved food safety. Older people in China (the so-called lost generation) are set in their ways: remember that i…

>I can't see how this can be successfully enforced without a massive education campaign and actual enforcement by authorities >China has plenty of laws including a constitution that defends practicing free speech and religion, but in reality laws mean nothing if there's no enforcement. Are you suggesting that these practices be allowed under "freedom of religion"? In light of the public health concern, that would be…

> a popular party representing backward, anti-scientific POVs

Fairly certain that china is ruled by the chinese communist party, last I checked.

Re: China bans consumption and trade of wild animals

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Post by honestoHeminway »

Again.. maybee its time to admit, that propaganda announcements out of china - are simply not worth the time and effort.

They announce to go green, and produce a potemkin village of effort. They announce to ban trade of wild animals (2012/ 2017) and it just never is fully implemented or enforced.

China is actually even more chaotic then africa, because that nice facade of that utopian well working, strong government many int he west secretly year for, distracts from the actual chaos and routined subversion on the ground.

Re: China bans consumption and trade of wild animals

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Post by cycrutchfield »

blackrock wrote: post #66
cycrutchfield wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Our best guess is that SARS originated from bats and jumped to humans via masked palm civets, which are typically sold in live animal markets in China. This is not just my own pet theory, you can read the extensive literature on the topic.

This is an already known and suspected theory. But there is no evidence that it came from eating it. Then explain how MERS appeared. Did people of the Middle East suddenly have a gourmet taste for eating camels one day?

I don’t think anybody said that somebody ate a civet and got sick. However, civets are not naturally to be found in close proximity to humans. The jump from species to species was due to the appetite for civets causing them to be held in cages at wet markets for prolonged periods of time.

Re: China bans consumption and trade of wild animals

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Post by chimprich »

blackrock wrote: post #56

There is a lot of stupid and non-sense talk about how the coronavirus was created, because of Chinese people eating bats. There is no scientific evidence to support this! Instead, this exposes the deep-seated biases and prejudices, that Westerners (white people) have of Easterners, and specifically, the Chinese, in this case. It also didn’t help that the Trump Administration went on a negative media assault for the p…

> Do people in the Middle East eat camels? No, I don’t think so.

Yes, they do.

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