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Re: Where Sci-Hub Is

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Post by pergadad »

p0llard wrote: post #7

The sooner academic publishers die the better—not a very original thought, I'm aware. There's still very much a distinction between (self-)publishing on the arXiv and publishing in a 'real' journal/conference within the academic community, and I think it comes down to two factors: 1. The arXiv moderation process has a much lower bar; you see some pretty rubbish papers (often from large tech companies) make their way…

I'm not convinced they are fully useless. Eg even an anti-vax person will understand that academic publishing has some solidness, even if they think it's'the establishment'. Explaining to a layman what arxiv does and how solid or not solid science on the site is is a lot more difficult.

Re: Where Sci-Hub Is

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Post by madacol »

shpx wrote: post #39
LeoPanthera wrote: post #9

The Wikipedia article is also kept reasonably up to date with the URLs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sci-Hub They used to have a .onion address, which I assumed would continue to be the most reliable way in, but it's been down for a long time. I'm surprised, it seems like Tor would be the best way to remain up and accessible.

DNS-over-Wikipedia is my goto strategy for websites like this (Scihub, Libgen, Piratebay, Popcorn Time, etc.).

How does it work? I'm trying to find the referenced Wikidata entry about sci-hub, but when searching, I don't understand what I am reading.

Re: Where Sci-Hub Is

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Post by madacol »

madacol wrote: post #162
shpx wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DNS-over-Wikipedia is my goto strategy for websites like this (Scihub, Libgen, Piratebay, Popcorn Time, etc.).

How does it work? I'm trying to find the referenced Wikidata entry about sci-hub, but when searching, I don't understand what I am reading.

I think I found it. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q21980377#P856 But it's not trivial to understand

Re: Where Sci-Hub Is

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Post by Vinnl »

rndgermandude wrote: post #151
Cenk wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Something similar happened to me ( https://twitter.com/Citationsy/status/1156626811398307840 ) when I posted a link to Sci-Hub on my blog. In the EU it’s apparently copyright infringement to link to copyright infringing URLs. I ended up removing the links because I didn’t want get into more legal trouble with Elsevier. More details here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20606362

It's a bit more complicated and a result of: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-playboy-copyright/play... Basically, if you post a link and know it links to illegal content, you are in violation of copyright law. If you do not know, you're not in violation, but upon being informed, you do know and have to take down the link. In case of Sci-Hub, it would be reasonable to assume somebody who made a website with the…

I do know that the website hosts lots of illegal content. That said, I also know that many people use it just because it's so much more convenient, and who do are allowed to access the material: either because it's already Open Access, or because they're at an institution that has a subscription. See [0]:

> Some critics of Sci-Hub have complained that many users can access the same papers through their libraries but turn to Sci-Hub instead—for convenience rather than necessity. The data provide some support for that claim.

Note also that the article you linked spoke about linking directly to photo's and articles, not to websites that host both infringing and non-infringing content. I presume Wikipedia wouldn't do that either, even though they do link to the homepage.

(And fun fact: some articles published by Elsevier actually do link to Sci-Hub versions of articles. Not really relevant to this, but still funny.)

[0] https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/04/whos-downloading-pir...

Re: Where Sci-Hub Is

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Post by Vinnl »

Cenk wrote: post #149
Vinnl wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We actually had a chat about that on Twitter :) That said, the site didn't really link to infringing material - just to the homepage of Sci-Hub. Technically, you could also append something to the URL to make you end up at a page with infringing content, but there was no explicit link to there from the site, and it can be used for non-infringing content as well.

Yes, I remember :) Absolutely ridiculous that displaying a link to a site that could be used for copyright infringement should itself be infringing. Especially in your case, considering you get the links straight from Wikidata. Did Zeit say if they received some kind of takedown notice, or are they acting on their own?

I posted all comments above; there were no details about takedowns. I think it's an automated message.

Re: Where Sci-Hub Is

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Post by rndgermandude »

Vinnl wrote: post #164
rndgermandude wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a bit more complicated and a result of: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-playboy-copyright/play... Basically, if you post a link and know it links to illegal content, you are in violation of copyright law. If you do not know, you're not in violation, but upon being informed, you do know and have to take down the link. In case of Sci-Hub, it would be reasonable to assume somebody who made a website with the…

I do know that the website hosts lots of illegal content. That said, I also know that many people use it just because it's so much more convenient, and who do are allowed to access the material: either because it's already Open Access, or because they're at an institution that has a subscription. See [0]: > Some critics of Sci-Hub have complained that many users can access the same papers through their libraries but…

Problem is that even when people who have valid licenses are using the site out of convenience, it's still illegal for Sci-Hub to host the content.

Sure it has some legal content too, but it has undeniably and openly a LOT of infringing content (bad faith), so I'd guess a judge would convict. Wikipedia may have some infringing content, but they hardly flaunt it and actually work to minimize such content (good faith).

Re: Where Sci-Hub Is

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Post by refurb »

dagenix wrote: post #45
unityByFreedom wrote: post #43

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> I am of the opinion knowledge should be free and easily accessible. I understand hatred for academic publishers, however this argument makes no sense. It takes work to produce human knowledge. Writing a book, creating educational materials, and writing research all takes time, just like it takes time to build a house.

> It takes work to produce human knowledge. Writing a book, creating educational materials, and writing research all takes time, just like it takes time to build a house. My understanding is that most / all articles in academic journals are written by researchers who are not paid by the journal. Then, the articles are peer reviewed by another set of researchers - who are also not paid by the journal. Then, those same…

Look up Chesterson’s Fence. It’s always a good idea to figure out why the fence exists before tearing it down.

Researchers who publish in these journals can publish anywhere, but they choose to publish in these for-profit journals.

Do you know why?

Re: Where Sci-Hub Is

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Post by dangerface »

Vinnl wrote: post #135

Hi all, I made this. I just received a notice from Zeit that they blocked it: > I am writing to let you know we have blocked your deployment: whereisscihub.now.sh > This is because the deployment contained illegal content. > Please let me know if this is not the case or if you have any questions. I hadn't noticed it was on Hacker News, but that explains the sudden attention. While I don't believe the site was illegal…

Linking to "illegal" content is also illegal in some EU country's. Guides or software to get around their censorship is also "illegal" and linking to "illegal" content is ofter attacked under this rule.

You think they would realise how absurd the whole thing is when then have to resort to censorship of censorship.

Re: Where Sci-Hub Is

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Post by bjonnh »

el_cujo wrote: post #71
bjonnh wrote: post #32

As academics, your institution is paying publishers to get access to journal (and you may loose access to electronic versions if the institution stops paying contrary to paper versions), you write papers for free, you review papers for free, you are part of the editorial board of the journal for free (or some crumbs for travelling to a conference), as an editor you spend most of your life managing people for a really…

>you write papers for free Actually you often pay a couple thousand dollars as a publishing fee to get your paper in the journal after review. I'm sure it's not necessarily like that in every journal, but the bigger ones do it that way. So basically pay them to take your content, pay them to view their content, and do labor for them by reviewing papers for free.

True, but it is the case only in some high end tabloid-like journals, not more regular ones (at least in my field). Unless of course you ask for their openaccess option, then they charge thousands for CC-BY-NC-ND and sometimes more for CC-BY...

Re: Where Sci-Hub Is

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Post by judge2020 »

MacsHeadroom wrote: post #75
judge2020 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://zeit.co/terms > You shall not... (b) use the Service in any unlawful manner (including without limitation in violation of any data, privacy or export control laws > This TOS shall be governed by the laws of the State of California without regard to the principles of conflicts of law.

Pulling domain names from a Wikipedia article doesn't violate any laws. That's literally all the page did. It just checked the sci-hub Wikipedia article and reposted the latest domain listed. But it's their site/company, so whatever.

Ya I don't see it as illegal nor correct to block this site, but i bet they don't want to be anywhere near elsevier's radar.
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