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Re: Where Sci-Hub Is

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ggrrhh_ta wrote: post #115
czzr wrote: post #106

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Hmm... so you get nothing for it, you do all the work and yet you continue to do it? I presume you must be getting something out of the arrangement, else why on earth do you continue?

As many of us doing research, writing, reviewing, typesetting, checking proofs, organizing their dissemination conferences, administrative tasks, filling up IP forms, returning them, getting them checked by attorneys paid on our side, etc., etc., etc., do not get absolutely anything remotely in value to the price it costs to our institutions or peers to access our work. We force ourselves though to do something so il…

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Post by ggrrhh_ta »

unityByFreedom wrote: post #118
ggrrhh_ta wrote: post #115

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As many of us doing research, writing, reviewing, typesetting, checking proofs, organizing their dissemination conferences, administrative tasks, filling up IP forms, returning them, getting them checked by attorneys paid on our side, etc., etc., etc., do not get absolutely anything remotely in value to the price it costs to our institutions or peers to access our work. We force ourselves though to do something so il…

> things are slowly changing, as people & institutions with the right amount of power and leadership are starting to take action. Where exactly, what people and institutions?

You can check for yourself - on providing and dissemination, check Arxiv & Siblings. On institutions, check e.g., University of California, or search, e.g., "Elsevier's Paywall" using some internet search service to find names.

Re: Where Sci-Hub Is

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Post by antepodius »

unityByFreedom wrote: post #118
ggrrhh_ta wrote: post #115

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As many of us doing research, writing, reviewing, typesetting, checking proofs, organizing their dissemination conferences, administrative tasks, filling up IP forms, returning them, getting them checked by attorneys paid on our side, etc., etc., etc., do not get absolutely anything remotely in value to the price it costs to our institutions or peers to access our work. We force ourselves though to do something so il…

> things are slowly changing, as people & institutions with the right amount of power and leadership are starting to take action. Where exactly, what people and institutions?

Well, sci-hub's one.

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Post by matheusmoreira »

unityByFreedom wrote: post #96
matheusmoreira wrote: post #89

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> The market withholds food when they tell you to pay first before taking it home. The same is fair for an author. Food is finite. When you buy material goods, you subtract from the seller's supply of goods and add to your own. It's impossible to create new goods out of nothing. Since there isn't enough for everyone, an economy naturally arises. Information is infinite. Copying and transmitting data is not only trivi…

> Information is infinite Published material is not infinite, nor is an author's time. Information is infinite if you definite it to mean all information, but that is not the context here. The context here is published work.

> Published material is not infinite

Sci-Hub proves otherwise.

> nor is an author's time.

True.

Re: Where Sci-Hub Is

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Post by simion314 »

unityByFreedom wrote: post #98
matheusmoreira wrote: post #92

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> That is the whole point of copyright Copyright was created centuries ago when people needed a literal printing press in order to create copies at scale. They had to be a major industry player in order to infringe copyright. We're living in the 21st century: people infringe copyright without even realizing it and all but the worst offenders go unpunished. Whatever the point of copyright was when it was conceived, it…

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Post by rndgermandude »

unityByFreedom wrote: post #116
rndgermandude wrote: post #111

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The research is already funded differently, usually through (public) grants, salaries of the researchers and everybody on their teams (taxes, tuition), or even patent revenues. Nobody makes money off of publications except for the publishers. Some publishers even demand money from the authors for their publishing "services". The publishers themselves add very little value, as e.g. peer reviews are done for "free" (ak…

> The research is already funded differently Yes, I understand the hatred for academic publishers b/c they don't fund the research. The comment above said 'knowledge should be free' and that is what I was responding to.

If my tax payer money helped fund the research, I better get access to it. Similarly, if my tuition money helped fund it, then I better get access to it as well. Or even, if my actual time helped fund the research (e.g. I am a student involved in the research) then I better get access to it, too.

Sounds fair?

The vast majority of academic research is funded at least in part by tax payers either directly (grants, public universities or universities receiving public funds, etc) or indirectly (subsidies).

Even if research was "made possible by a grant from (private entity)", if it happened in a university, it most likely used university funds (from using rent-free space and equipment researchers can use, to staff and administration researchers rely on, etc)

Re: Where Sci-Hub Is

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Post by matheusmoreira »

unityByFreedom wrote: post #98
matheusmoreira wrote: post #92

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> That is the whole point of copyright Copyright was created centuries ago when people needed a literal printing press in order to create copies at scale. They had to be a major industry player in order to infringe copyright. We're living in the 21st century: people infringe copyright without even realizing it and all but the worst offenders go unpunished. Whatever the point of copyright was when it was conceived, it…

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