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Re: Google interviewing process for software developer role in 2020

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Post by paulcole »

sickygnar wrote: post #160
downerending wrote: post #82

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All true, but Google's reputation is starting to take a small hit on this. They'll always draw people who want high comp, but they may start having a harder time drawing people who really care about tech.

Yeah. I asked their recruiters to leave me alone. I haven't interviewed there, nor will I. Realistically I won't pass the interview, so it's no use wasting my time trying. I actually was sponsored by them for GSoC (google summer of code) - my proposal was accepted by a prestigious open source project (and my code merged/accepted), but there's no way in hell I would pass an interview, despite the fact that I'm probabl…

> I haven't interviewed there, nor will I. Realistically I won't pass the interview

Then isn't this ideal? You don't waste their time and they don't waste yours?

Re: Google interviewing process for software developer role in 2020

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Post by paulcole »

eq_sd_ wrote: post #297
sickygnar wrote: post #160

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Yeah. I asked their recruiters to leave me alone. I haven't interviewed there, nor will I. Realistically I won't pass the interview, so it's no use wasting my time trying. I actually was sponsored by them for GSoC (google summer of code) - my proposal was accepted by a prestigious open source project (and my code merged/accepted), but there's no way in hell I would pass an interview, despite the fact that I'm probabl…

I'm convinced I'm probably smart enough for at least a handful of roles there, but I'm not convinced Google (and others) care about people who interview poorly due to mental health issues. My thoughts, feelings, etc were shamed growing up so now "sharing my thoughts" to someone who is very clearly sitting there judging them sends me into a dissociative state and shows I can't "work under pressure". It's not near as b…

> I'm convinced I'm probably smart enough for at least a handful of roles there

There's a scene in Zero Dark Thirty where the CIA chief asks a subordinate for an assessment of another agent. "She's smart," he says. The chief shakes his had and replies, "We're all smart here."

Google has 0 need for more smart people to apply. They have all the smart people they need and then some. What they want are people who will do whatever it takes to work at Google, regardless of the hassles of applying. Then they find the smart people in that group and hire them.

Re: Google interviewing process for software developer role in 2020

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Post by stevespang »

Google IMHO is a waste of time.

B average overall in Comp. Sci, completed BS degree in 3 years at UT Austin, Google contacted me after classmate and I registered for Google Cloud TPU to complete a class assignment faster using Google's hardware, rather than use slow old CPU's in school labs.

Interview did not get farther than email us your transcript first (Google doesn't waste time with you unless you are nearly or all straight A's).

Anyway, who wants to work on the West Coast where 30% or more of your salary goes to rent and high living costs ?

Instead I interned at a major fortune 500 hardware co my last summer and built them a web based "panel" that their engineers could use to test hardware layers. My manager showed it to his manager and before I even started my last semester I had a decent offer from them (Austin).

More importantly, I have work life balance, don't have to show up till 9:00am, nobody works over 8 hours a day, no weekend work - - - but my Mom just signed on with Apple in Austin and they are working her like a dog.

Re: Google interviewing process for software developer role in 2020

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Post by Domenic_S »

blackflame7000 wrote: post #238
ska wrote: post #230

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right, but federal, state, and FICA is still less than 40%

Not really. That's about what I paid last year.

I paid 20% federal (effective) and something like 6% state (effective).

Re: Google interviewing process for software developer role in 2020

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Post by Domenic_S »

gregory144 wrote: post #198
Domenic_S wrote: post #162

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If you're losing 40% to taxes you're doing it wrong. Also, stock appreciation. A $500k grant last year is worth $640k this year.

Can you expand on that? How do you get out of paying taxes?

On average, the top quintile of earners pay 22.9% effective federal rate [1]. Take a look at your effective rates for 2019, I bet you pay less as a percent than you think.

[1] https://www.pgpf.org/sites/default/files/All-income-groups-p...

Re: Google interviewing process for software developer role in 2020

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Post by jedberg »

aphextron wrote: post #302
jedberg wrote: post #244

Man what a stark contrast to how my Netflix interview went. I was contacted directly by the hiring manager, three days later I was onsite for the phase one interview, three days later I was onsite for the second phase, and I had a verbal offer on my way out the door (for more than I asked for). Came back a week later to sign the paperwork after I emailed with the recruiter a few times about offer details. Started a w…

I'm guessing this was 5+ years ago? Interviewing is a whole different world now.

Yeah 5+ years ago. How has it changed?

Re: Google interviewing process for software developer role in 2020

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Post by the_watcher »

Apocryphon wrote: post #258
hkarthik wrote: post #250

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Netflix is known for being speedy with hiring because they are also speedy with firing under performers. So they see hiring as a relatively low risk proposition and will make decisions faster since the long term effects are greatly lessened.

At least they're making good use of California being an at-will state.

Are there any states in the US that are not "at-will"? California is not a right to work state, and AFAIK, at will employment is an option in every US state.

Re: Google interviewing process for software developer role in 2020

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Post by luord »

Retric wrote: post #318
luord wrote: post #316

It's interesting how the process seems... completely backwards. A group of engineers studying the CV/portfolio of the candidate followed by a culture fit interview should be the first and second thing to happen, IMO, yet for Google they're the last and second to last, respectively. Afterwards, there should be an interview discussing the developer's portfolio with the candidate. And then, and only then, (and if and on…

Abstractly, assuming equivalent costs the highest efficiency comes from whatever step rejects the most candidates first. However, the costs at each stage are not equal so whatever is cheapest for the company while also filtering effectively tends to happen first. Thus generally you get something like recruiter resume review, phone interview, face to face interview, and then background checks in that order. In that co…

I completely see your point and I understand why they do it that way; I was trying to highlight how their doing it that way is a complete nightmare and it's the reason I've declined every time a FAANG has contacted me (which, admittedly, hasn't been that many times).

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Post by drongoking »

eps wrote: post #177
foobiekr wrote: post #138

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The only time I interviewed with Google involved a phone screen that apparently went very well and then dead silence for three months: my recruiter has apparently gone on vacation for 2+ months and was finally getting back to me. In the intervening period I had taken another job (that turned out to have been worth more than the google job would have been). The recruiter was nonplussed when she called me out of the bl…

> She couldn’t believe I was not interested in continuing - how could I turn down Google?? Lol. I had the exact same experience back in the late 90s, but with... IBM. Arrogant as heck, took three months to follow up and were shocked to know I was no longer interested. It was beautiful.

At one point Microsoft would refuse to interview you unless you were their first and only choice. If you ever hinted you were considering other companies---interview over.

Probably all the 900-pound gorilla companies go through that period of extreme arrogance when everyone's knocking on their door. Until they're not.

Re: Google interviewing process for software developer role in 2020

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Post by asdfasgasdgasdg »

Apocryphon wrote: post #258
hkarthik wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Netflix is known for being speedy with hiring because they are also speedy with firing under performers. So they see hiring as a relatively low risk proposition and will make decisions faster since the long term effects are greatly lessened.

At least they're making good use of California being an at-will state.

All fifty states are at will states.
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