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Re: Google interviewing process for software developer role in 2020

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Post by blackflame7000 »

Grimm1 wrote: post #135
Grimm1 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I went through the interview process with Square and their compensation is around that level and it was just a 3 round interview process no muss no fuss. Phone interview went well, completely crushed the coding interview (which was coderpad with one human talking through my thought process as I went) and we were about schedule the third round which would have just been an onsite with a bit of white boarding and what…

The downvote without a reply is a really unhealthy thing for a community especially one that only gives downvoting privileges to supposed long time contributors. I provided a perfectly reasonable counter example with a company that demonstrably has similar compensation to the FAANGs (check levels.fyi) without a crazy interview process.

I didn't downvote you but you describe a crazy interview process and then conclude with "demonstrably has similar compensation to the FAANGs (check levels.fyi) without a crazy interview process." I would consider a company that can't figure out which side of the US they want you to work in a crazy interview process

Re: Google interviewing process for software developer role in 2020

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Post by tyrankh »

choppaface wrote: post #166

“You can pass every interview with A grades and still not get a job, because a senior Googler decides that you're the wrong person to be hired.” Google doesn’t need you. They probably already have a clone of you. They have gobs of rank-and-file SWE effort on reserve should one of their key products fail. The process is designed to entertain the hiring manager and certain key employees. They don’t want you for your pr…

This is ludicrously false and not at _all_ why Google hires people. They hire people because - big surprise - there are projects that need staffing.

"At this stage, if Google hires you, you are almost certainly being used to aid in the retention of somebody else. You’re going straight for the bench."

I mean, just wow. Do you really believe this? This is fantasy to an incredible degree.

Re: Google interviewing process for software developer role in 2020

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Post by cmonnow »

gdy wrote: post #59
karatestomp wrote: post #43

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Yeah, that. That's what I get for not checking my shelf first. In my defense mine's the version that at least does contain the word "persuasion" somewhere in the title, though the proper short version is still Influence . I'll leave my original post as-is as a monument to my failure.

"I'll leave my original post as-is as a monument to my failure." I don't think anyone cares and there is no reason to make them read the wrong title.

> I don't think anyone cares

Exactly. The only successes or failures we care about are our own. Very rarely do we even think of someone else's embarrassing moments. We are all pretty self-centered and that's liberating in a way.

Re: Google interviewing process for software developer role in 2020

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Post by samatman »

falcolas wrote: post #44

The biggest WTF I got out of this was: Writing code and tests in a Google Doc. I can't think of a much less friendly environment to write code in, except perhaps Notepad. I did it once (for an intra-company interview), and it was nasty to deal with. The WTF in second place was a blind requirement to know the mechanics behind a somewhat niche game that was big two years ago.

To be fair, 2048 can be explained in a matter of minutes. The kind thing to do would be to demonstrate it.

It's a different problem. I play a lot of 2048. It's on my watch, fun thing to do while stuck in line or whatever. I haven't the first clue how to write an algorithm to beat it.

Here's how I'd do that: I'd get on the Googly-moogly and start reading up. Probably take me a couple days to get my bearings.

In a 45 minute interview process? Forget it. They think they're testing for someone who can solve this problem. They're actually testing for someone who has encountered it recently in some other guise.

Re: Google interviewing process for software developer role in 2020

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Post by tyrankh »

thedance wrote: post #30

The best way to get a job at google is to get some high ranking insiders to refer you and then show up at the interview and do your best. The yammering about how to ace the coding interview overlooks that without a referral you are at a severe disadvantage.

This is absolutely untrue. A referral doesn't hold much weight at all.

Re: Google interviewing process for software developer role in 2020

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Post by blackflame7000 »

Traster wrote: post #170
_throwawayyyyyy wrote: post #72

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one of my in-person interviewers at Google forgot they had to do this - I spent like 38 minutes of our interview whiteboarding and then he said, "oh crap you're supposed to do this on the computer" - i furiously typed for a few minutes to try to replicate what i'd done. when i later talked to HR there was no mention of this in the interviewer's report.

Can you imagine working with that guy though - "Hey guys, I'm just about done with this feature get ready for the PR". "Paul, you've written it all on the whiteboard again. How many times Paul, it's got to go in the computer."

Paul throws 100 page manuscript of code into trash and walks off

Re: Google interviewing process for software developer role in 2020

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Post by ska »

blackflame7000 wrote: post #215
triceratops wrote: post #183

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> Lose 40% to taxes and you're looking at $180k/yr. Who's paying 40% taxes on $300k/year? Your math is wrong straight off the bat. Including 401k and match, this hypothetical person is making at least $200k after taxes. Even more if they're married or have a dependent or two. And as others have noted, $135k/year will make you a millionaire in 7 years even if it's cash under your mattress. You'll make it there even fa…

> Who's paying 40% taxes on $300k/year? People in California. > $135k/year will make you a millionaire in 7 years Yea if you are a person who somehow has 0 expenses over the course of those 7 years. Again, all but impossible in California.

You've read both of these things incorrectly. First off, 40% all in is too high for california (but not by a huge amount, it's like 38% but that matters). Secondly, they allowed for living expenses, the 135 was what was left after (from the 180 take home). Can argue about the amount, but they allowed for it.

Realistically you're going to do 401(k) and match so you're probably taking home a bit over 200k. Allow 50k/yr living expenses and you'll have another 150/yr or so. Quite plausible to bank 1 million in 5 or 6 years with these numbers.

Re: Google interviewing process for software developer role in 2020

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Post by justbees »

TurkishPoptart wrote: post #196
justbees wrote: post #131

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Ok, completely different take! I also interviewed there last spring, but I thought it was super positive, even though I didn't get the job. I had to push myself really hard to get the onsite and I think that was beneficial to me. I have no computer science background at all and it forced me to prep intensively between interviews. So, I kind of went into it figuring I probably wouldn't get it but who knows and that it…

What was the job? I only hear about people with comp sci backgrounds getting hired there.

It was frontend. I did ok with some heavy studying, but I'm definitely more UI focused on a day to day basis. The problems I had to figure out during the interview were nothing at all like what I do daily.

I walked away feeling like if I really wanted to I could knuckle down and study for longer and get a job there, but I decided it wasn't really my thing and went in other directions. Like I said, I took the studying and the subject matter as a challenge and I feel pretty pleased with how far I got considering I have a painting degree.

Re: Google interviewing process for software developer role in 2020

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Post by ska »

blackflame7000 wrote: post #216
allenu wrote: post #209

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I think the 40% number is the point of contention. The highest tax bracket for 2019 is 37%, and that's a marginal rate, so no one is going to be paying 37% of ALL of their income. More likely it'll be in the range of 20-25% of all income.

You forgot about state tax in addition to federal taxes.

right, but federal, state, and FICA is still less than 40%
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