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Iran lawmaker says 50 dead from coronavirus in city of Qom

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Post by seneca »

lp251 wrote: post #180
seneca wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just downvote comments you don't think add to the discussion. That's what the feature is for. It's not up to you to censor the comments section, and your comment is even less useful than the one you're replying to.

Threats of violence should have no place on this site.

I agree with that, and saying that would be a better comment than just calling for something to be deleted. Explaining why something doesn't belong, or even just saying "this doesn't belong here", is better than a demand something be deleted.

Re: Iran lawmaker says 50 dead from coronavirus in city of Qom

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Post by celdon25 »

surge wrote: post #154
gzer0 wrote: post #32

Around 99% of the patients developed a high temperature, while more than half experienced fatigue and a dry cough. About a third also experienced muscle pain and difficulty breathing. Research from the Chinese Center for Disease Control suggests that around 80% of coronavirus cases are mild. Around 15% of patients have gotten severe cases, and 5% have become critically ill. Here's how symptoms progress among typical…

Of closed cases (people that have recovered or died) the fatality rate is more like 10%. It's only 2% of total that have it, meaning a lot of people have neither recovered or died as it spreads and they're waiting to find out if they fall in the 10% or the other 90%. Edit: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Looks like its now only 9%, it was 10% a day or two ago.

I would take that number with a grain of salt too, as there is a lot of asymmetry with how and when that data is reported. There may be a large number of "recovering" cases that are not completely closed yet but have essentially zero chance of death in the future. The definition of recovered seems open to interpretation while death is not, and so the deaths would have a more immediate reporting period, as well as a shorter average interval of time since infection started.

Re: Iran lawmaker says 50 dead from coronavirus in city of Qom

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Post by celdon25 »

jacquesm wrote: post #217
glitchdigger wrote: post #199

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Anyone that trusts the WHO is a plank anyway. These weirdo globalist fuckers are probably connected to those responsible for its deployment. Don’t trust the WHO or the UN for a second.

Please don't spread misinformation. This single comment is doing more damage than 10 comments based on facts.

> more damage than 10 comments based on facts

This is implying that fact-based comments do damage. Reminds me of Biden's "truth over facts" gaffe.

Re: Iran lawmaker says 50 dead from coronavirus in city of Qom

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Post by gentleman11 »

taurath wrote: post #130
gzer0 wrote: post #32

Around 99% of the patients developed a high temperature, while more than half experienced fatigue and a dry cough. About a third also experienced muscle pain and difficulty breathing. Research from the Chinese Center for Disease Control suggests that around 80% of coronavirus cases are mild. Around 15% of patients have gotten severe cases, and 5% have become critically ill. Here's how symptoms progress among typical…

In the US, a 2 week stay in the hospital will cost you upwards of $50,000. Even if you have insurance, understand it will be a significant cost to you. If you’re uninsured like 20 million Americans or underinsured like 80 million, going to the hospital means automatic bankruptcy. Every day our broken healthcare system will force many people to choose between all their families assets and getting care. This should not…

If the healthcare industry could help cause coronavirus to spread in the USA, it would be worth billions. It would never happen, but the incentives happen to be very strange and I bet a movie could be made about a scenario like it

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Post by pbourke »

celdon25 wrote: post #220
goatforce5 wrote: post #175

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Unrequested anecdata: my partner got a bad case of the flu (and epiglottis) a couple of years ago, and ended up spending 10 days in hospital - 7 in ICU, 3 on a normal ward. Total cost: $0. Thanks Canada! (Having said that, if you're visiting Canada you'll need to check your health coverage. Medical coverage is provided to Canadian residents, not just anyone who happens to be in Canada at the time.)

Before implying that Canada has the final answer to health care, note the other side of the tradeoff from a recent report published Dec 2019: "Fraser Institute has—for over two decades—surveyed specialist physicians across 12 specialties and 10 provinces. This edition of Waiting Your Turn indicates that, overall, waiting times for medically necessary treatment have increased since last year. Specialist physicians sur…

1. the Fraser institute is a right-wing think tank. They very much have an axe to grind here.

2. "medically necessary" does not tell you anything about the severity of illness or appropriateness of waiting. There are many medically necessary things for which it's okay to wait some time. In the Canadian system, things are dealt with at the level of urgency appropriate to the severity of the issue. Yes, it's not perfect, but it does result in generally better population-wide health outcomes in Canada than the US.

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Post by pbourke »

fauigerzigerk wrote: post #82
simonh wrote: post #67

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>What exactly worries you about mass hysteria and panic? Why would that be worse than what is likely to happen as Covid-19 spreads outside of China? Because then in addition to the damage caused by the outbreak, we will also have the additional often useless and counterproductive damage caused by hysteria and panic.

Right, but stressing the importance of avoiding "hysteria and panic" is also extremely popular with authoritarian regimes justifying censorship and trying to cover up their own incompetence. There was a window of opportunity during which this virus could have been contained. The Chinese dictatorship has squandered it in the name of "avoiding panic and hysteria". Panic and hysteria should be avoided by being transpare…

> Panic and hysteria should be avoided by being transparent, not by playing down the dangers or praising the efforts of an intransparent self-serving regime as the WHO has done from very early on.

Yes. And the way to avoid it is to switch communication strategies to inform the public without inciting panic. Also to recruit people into being part of the solution at the local level. This could just mean signing up to volunteer to deliver meals, or check on neighbors or just report all's clear if there's a lockdown. The more agency that you give to people, the less panic there is.

I found this article from two risk communications strategists, posted to the blog of a noted virologist, interesting:

Past Time to Tell the Public: “It Will Probably Go Pandemic, and We Should All Prepare Now”

https://virologydownunder.com/past-time-to-tell-the-public-i...

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Post by questionfor »

radicalbyte wrote: post #65
gzer0 wrote: post #32

Around 99% of the patients developed a high temperature, while more than half experienced fatigue and a dry cough. About a third also experienced muscle pain and difficulty breathing. Research from the Chinese Center for Disease Control suggests that around 80% of coronavirus cases are mild. Around 15% of patients have gotten severe cases, and 5% have become critically ill. Here's how symptoms progress among typical…

There's a flu going around in The Netherlands right now, it progresses like this: - Day 1: Fever, fatigue and muscle pain with a dry itchy cough. - Day 2+: Nausea and diarrhea can be experienced as well as the first day symptoms. It takes about a week for the worst of the symptoms to die down however the stomach ache, cough and light tiredness last weeks. My entire family and most of my son's class at school has had…

> My wife is, after 3 weeks, still really ill.

It should be illegal to go to work sick with easily transmittable diseases.

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Post by pbourke »

danielg6 wrote: post #207
tomp wrote: post #153

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What does non-discrimination and political correctness have to do with the white Americans that were evacuated from Wuhan lmao? And the ones that returned from China in general? Or for that matter, American citizens in general? Also, the U.S. has banned flights to/from certain countries during certain times.

I also find it interesting that inside of the US, states are engaging in NIMBYism to keep evacuees from being quarantined. Alabama's senator boasted of this yesterday, and I believe there was a lawsuit or something in California blocking some patients from being quarantined at a particular location.

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Post by usrusr »

jacquesm wrote: post #193
Retric wrote: post #157

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On the other hand diseases don’t reach 100% of the population on the same day. Quarantine has been surprisingly effective in China, though at significant economic cost. That seems to be a much larger concern than the capacity of heathcare systems. If this becomes a true epidemic it’s going to be bad, but societies have been dealing with epidemics for a long time.

> On the other hand diseases don’t reach 100% of the population on the same day. That's absolutely true, even in Wuhan the %age of infected people on the total population is relatively small, but much larger than the # of ICU beds that existed. And the virus had a long time to spread around there before any countermeasures were taken. Even so, ventilators and ICU beds are not normally all available either. > Quaranti…

> It would have been a lot more effective if they had done it sooner.

China startet radical measures after a rather low number of mystery lung issues. I really doubt that any other government would have taken decisive action much earlier. What would you expect, martial law whenever a doctor isn't quite sure about a diagnosis?

The initial silencing of the first public reports is very unfortunate and puts the government rightfully in a very bad light, but I'm not sure that it had any influence on the speed of countermeasure implementation at all. I see that more as a case of one part of a huge organisation not knowing what the other is doing, not as a government-wide attempt at ignoring the problem. The authoritarian version of a PR department still sending out denials while the rest of the company is already working on a fix (and too busy to rein in the PR department/thought police)

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Post by pbourke »

hurricanetc wrote: post #145
tiborsaas wrote: post #27

With the 150+ Italian cases (3 dead), it's probably safe to say that the virus is out of our control... which we probably never had. https://apnews.com/32540d09ec101aac057660ef1b0aa970

We could have stopped it completely with total travel bans but the WHO advised against it because it could be damaging to the world economy. Why is the WHO concerned about the economy? Well I have no idea. And is this virus going pandemic going to be more or less economically painful than the travel bans might have been? My guess would be we will feel significantly more pain from a pandemic.

> We could have stopped it completely with total travel bans

There is no such thing in the modern world. The influenza pandemics in the 19th, 20th and 21st centuries couldn't be stopped, just mitigated.

Just take the US - you'd need to shut every air route, every land border and every shipping port for upwards of 18 months. Untenable.

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