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Iran lawmaker says 50 dead from coronavirus in city of Qom

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Post by Retric »

jacquesm wrote: post #193
Retric wrote: post #157

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On the other hand diseases don’t reach 100% of the population on the same day. Quarantine has been surprisingly effective in China, though at significant economic cost. That seems to be a much larger concern than the capacity of heathcare systems. If this becomes a true epidemic it’s going to be bad, but societies have been dealing with epidemics for a long time.

> On the other hand diseases don’t reach 100% of the population on the same day. That's absolutely true, even in Wuhan the %age of infected people on the total population is relatively small, but much larger than the # of ICU beds that existed. And the virus had a long time to spread around there before any countermeasures were taken. Even so, ventilators and ICU beds are not normally all available either. > Quaranti…

> Historically the way we deal with epidemics is by developing medication.

Effective medication is a very recent thing. Variolation dates back to the 10th century and was moderately effective, but quarantine is thousands of years old. Avoiding cannibalism and thus prion diseases is also from antiquity, but that’s simply another type of avoidance.

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Post by ryan_j_naughton »

radicalbyte wrote: post #195
tqkxzugoaupvwqr wrote: post #88

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> My wife is, after 3 weeks, still really ill. Probably because she's working full time In my opinion it’s high time to call in sick. She is neither helping herself nor her coworkers by going to work.

I agree. However it's not possible: she's a pharmacist and because of the flu they're both really busy and low staffed. As long as she can just about handle it she works. They all get it every year anyway because they're constantly coming into contact with sick people so there's less benefit for staying at home.

Pharmacists clearly seem like a huge potential vector for disease transmission.

The pharmacy itself should have policies preventing sick employees from attending work and have generous paid sick leave.

We could reduce disease transmission and thus social cost dramatically if we reduced transmission in medical contexts (e.g. hospitals are one of the main places people GET sick -- from other patients).

It would ultimately save money if there was overstaffing requirements and stringent no sick staff allowed in any medical context.

The problem is that cost reduction is at a societal level while individual firms don't have the incentive to do this. But socialized healthcare systems should be able to solve this easily.

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Post by ta999999171 »

lp251 wrote: post #180
seneca wrote: post #172

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Just downvote comments you don't think add to the discussion. That's what the feature is for. It's not up to you to censor the comments section, and your comment is even less useful than the one you're replying to.

Threats of violence should have no place on this site.

Don't insulate yourself from the reality of other people's opinions, because for every one comment you see, you can be assured there are many others not writing it, or on this site.

It's actually very informative, to me. Sorry you don't see it that way.

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Post by macintux »

WaltPurvis wrote: post #192
roenxi wrote: post #59

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> Stay vigilant, stay careful, but most importantly, do not spread mass hysteria and panic. In the last month almost 1% of the current population of the earth quarantined in China [0]. What exactly worries you about mass hysteria and panic? Why would that be worse than what is likely to happen as Covid-19 spreads outside of China? I'm all in favor of not overselling the danger; but this virus is a real concern. I mea…

> If 2% of the people I know died this year, that would be the worst disaster in my country in my lifetime. Not trying to downplay the seriousness of this virus, but it's very unlikely to kill 2% of the people in any country — it kills (maybe, approximately) 2% of the people who are infected, but far less than 100% of the population in your country will ever be infected.

> far less than 100% of the population in your country will ever be infected

Do we have solid information to assert that? SARS and the flu spread from people who are exhibiting symptoms. This new virus is different in that regard, which seems like an open invitation to approach 100% infection rates.

I don’t know either way, but it certainly doesn’t seem unlikely that a solid majority could be infected.

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Post by skinnymuch »

glitchdigger wrote: post #199
hurricanetc wrote: post #147

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The WHO has come across as pretty incompetent in my opinion. We could have stopped this disease from spreading outside of China but the WHO consistently downplayed the severity and claimed travel bans were overkill and would be too damaging economically. Now they’re saying it’s likely too late to contain the virus. Well I wonder what will be more damaging to the economy? The proposed travel bans or the catastrophic e…

Anyone that trusts the WHO is a plank anyway. These weirdo globalist fuckers are probably connected to those responsible for its deployment. Don’t trust the WHO or the UN for a second.

I can see an argument for the WHO not being very good. But the end of your response to them being the ones also creating and pushing the virus in the first place...come on

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Post by goatforce5 »

jtbayly wrote: post #204
goatforce5 wrote: post #175

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Unrequested anecdata: my partner got a bad case of the flu (and epiglottis) a couple of years ago, and ended up spending 10 days in hospital - 7 in ICU, 3 on a normal ward. Total cost: $0. Thanks Canada! (Having said that, if you're visiting Canada you'll need to check your health coverage. Medical coverage is provided to Canadian residents, not just anyone who happens to be in Canada at the time.)

She probably already had an epiglottis. At least I hope so.

Epiglottitis. Oops.

And it's a he.

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Post by jacquesm »

glitchdigger wrote: post #199
hurricanetc wrote: post #147

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The WHO has come across as pretty incompetent in my opinion. We could have stopped this disease from spreading outside of China but the WHO consistently downplayed the severity and claimed travel bans were overkill and would be too damaging economically. Now they’re saying it’s likely too late to contain the virus. Well I wonder what will be more damaging to the economy? The proposed travel bans or the catastrophic e…

Anyone that trusts the WHO is a plank anyway. These weirdo globalist fuckers are probably connected to those responsible for its deployment. Don’t trust the WHO or the UN for a second.

Please don't spread misinformation. This single comment is doing more damage than 10 comments based on facts.

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Post by skinnymuch »

londons_explore wrote: post #95
afthonos wrote: post #47

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I don’t know in what way it isn’t treated as a big deal. There are daily updates from every country; the news covers the epidemic in detail; China quarantined tens of millions of people; major trade shows are being cancelled. Unless you literally mean bubonic-plague levels of panic, I’m not sure what else remains to be done in places where the disease has not yet fully spread.

I personally know experts in virology who are not working on a vaccine for this virus. Until all labs, equipment and experts are reassigned from whatever they are doing to finding a vaccine or cure, humanity is far from 'maximum response'. Assuming that world leaders are working in the best interests of their populations, that leads me to believe that whatever these experts and labs are currently studying is consider…

Every expert? There are other out breaks and issues happening now and could happen in the future.

From my minor lay person knowledge, every year there’s a decent sized (not in a good way of course) outbreak in Africa, South Asia, and/or more rarely, South America. If not multiple.

Why would you re-assign people working on those or other things that are serious?

I don’t want to put words into your mouth, but personally I know one person who essentially said because the African or South Asian issues are localized. He only cares if it’ll possibly affect him. Again not saying you are saying this.

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Post by jacquesm »

thdrdt wrote: post #134
allovernow wrote: post #13

Is it time to start treating this like a big deal yet? Their first case was three weeks ago and 50 deaf already? This virus is unprecedented and it is only responsible for individuals with means to start preparing. No reason to wait for the government to tell you to do so. Plus each person that does it early is one less for the potential store rush.

It is bad, but your are still more likely be killed by cancer or a car accident. Ebola is a virus that could be unprecedented. That's a serious killer and I am glad it is not traveling as fast as Corona.

On the contrary, it travels faster than Corona and is more lethal. And that's exactly why it isn't such a huge problem, a typical Ebola outbreak burns out so fast that it doesn't spread beyond the community it starts in.

If Ebola would ever start off in a major population center that would be an entirely different problem.

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Post by celdon25 »

goatforce5 wrote: post #175
taurath wrote: post #130

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In the US, a 2 week stay in the hospital will cost you upwards of $50,000. Even if you have insurance, understand it will be a significant cost to you. If you’re uninsured like 20 million Americans or underinsured like 80 million, going to the hospital means automatic bankruptcy. Every day our broken healthcare system will force many people to choose between all their families assets and getting care. This should not…

Unrequested anecdata: my partner got a bad case of the flu (and epiglottis) a couple of years ago, and ended up spending 10 days in hospital - 7 in ICU, 3 on a normal ward. Total cost: $0. Thanks Canada! (Having said that, if you're visiting Canada you'll need to check your health coverage. Medical coverage is provided to Canadian residents, not just anyone who happens to be in Canada at the time.)

Before implying that Canada has the final answer to health care, note the other side of the tradeoff from a recent report published Dec 2019:

"Fraser Institute has—for over two decades—surveyed specialist physicians across 12 specialties and 10 provinces.

This edition of Waiting Your Turn indicates that, overall, waiting times for medically necessary treatment have increased since last year. Specialist physicians surveyed report a median waiting time of 20.9 weeks between referral from a general practitioner and receipt of treatment—longer than the wait of 19.8 weeks reported in 2018."

Source: https://www.fraserinstitute.org/studies/waiting-your-turn-wa...

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