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Iran lawmaker says 50 dead from coronavirus in city of Qom

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Re: Iran lawmaker says 50 dead from coronavirus in city of Qom

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Post by ihiulll »

I don't recall any such information.

There's people on this site of all different ages, who grew up in all sorts of different places. How do you know what their high-school history covered?

In my school, history was mandatory in the first year of high-school, and I think it might have been in the second year as well. Hardly anyone did it as a subject for the remainder of their high-school years.

Needless to say, the content taught in those first 1-2 years barely even scratched the surface of historical topics.

Re: Iran lawmaker says 50 dead from coronavirus in city of Qom

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Post by fauigerzigerk »

simonh wrote: post #67
roenxi wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Stay vigilant, stay careful, but most importantly, do not spread mass hysteria and panic. In the last month almost 1% of the current population of the earth quarantined in China [0]. What exactly worries you about mass hysteria and panic? Why would that be worse than what is likely to happen as Covid-19 spreads outside of China? I'm all in favor of not overselling the danger; but this virus is a real concern. I mea…

>What exactly worries you about mass hysteria and panic? Why would that be worse than what is likely to happen as Covid-19 spreads outside of China? Because then in addition to the damage caused by the outbreak, we will also have the additional often useless and counterproductive damage caused by hysteria and panic.

Right, but stressing the importance of avoiding "hysteria and panic" is also extremely popular with authoritarian regimes justifying censorship and trying to cover up their own incompetence.

There was a window of opportunity during which this virus could have been contained. The Chinese dictatorship has squandered it in the name of "avoiding panic and hysteria".

Panic and hysteria should be avoided by being transparent, not by playing down the dangers or praising the efforts of an intransparent self-serving regime as the WHO has done from very early on.

Re: Iran lawmaker says 50 dead from coronavirus in city of Qom

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Post by [deleted] »

jamesrcole wrote: post #61
WJW wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone who had history in high school has historical information about this. There have been numerous plagues throughout history with higher infectivity, higher lethality, and both relatively and absolutely higher death counts. Don't put the burden of looking up simple and easily findable information on other posters when you can easily google it yourself.

> Everyone who had history in high school has historical information about this I don't recall any such information. There's people on this site of all different ages, who grew up in all sorts of different places. How do you know what their high-school history covered? In my school, history was mandatory in the first year of high-school, and I think it might have been in the second year as well. Hardly anyone did it…

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Re: Iran lawmaker says 50 dead from coronavirus in city of Qom

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Post by usrusr »

gzer0 wrote: post #32

Around 99% of the patients developed a high temperature, while more than half experienced fatigue and a dry cough. About a third also experienced muscle pain and difficulty breathing. Research from the Chinese Center for Disease Control suggests that around 80% of coronavirus cases are mild. Around 15% of patients have gotten severe cases, and 5% have become critically ill. Here's how symptoms progress among typical…

Regarding an uncontrolled outbreak (we can't just quarantine everyone, everywhere without secondary effects from economic collapse getting more deadly than the disease itself), the number I find myself speculating about most is how many would be dead or permanently harmed in absence of intensive care? Because no health system in the world would have the capacity to put more than about one in thousand people in intensive care. Even Hubei is still below 0.2% total known infections, surely in large parts thanks to measures that would be impossible to scale globally.

Re: Iran lawmaker says 50 dead from coronavirus in city of Qom

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Post by ISL »

jarmitage wrote: post #41

Reminder that WHO publishes a daily situation report about COVID-19, which is calmer and more informative than most headlines/media stories: https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2...

What is the difference between Figures 2 and 3 (besides n)?

Re: Iran lawmaker says 50 dead from coronavirus in city of Qom

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Post by squiggleblaz »

rapsey wrote: post #17

I guess Iran is like the South Korea problem spread across the entire country. The vast majority of cases in South Korea are in a religious sect. For Iran mosques are places where so many are in close proximity.

There's a cluster in Singapore that spread at a church.

But what does it mean? In Berlin or Paris it could suddenly spread on the trains, or at a spectator sport event. Being secular isn't going to stop you from breathing in air that other people are breathing out.

Everyone's susceptible to this.

Re: Iran lawmaker says 50 dead from coronavirus in city of Qom

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Post by simonh »

tome wrote: post #35
WJW wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone who had history in high school has historical information about this. There have been numerous plagues throughout history with higher infectivity, higher lethality, and both relatively and absolutely higher death counts. Don't put the burden of looking up simple and easily findable information on other posters when you can easily google it yourself.

There is a lot of misinformation out there too, and not everyone has the skills to "easily Google" for something outside of their sphere of competence. It would be helpful if those who do have hard facts to share do so directly. That's much more efficient than hoping that everyone will simply discover the facts as a matter of course.

If someone posts a comment saying something is historically unprecedented, isn't the onus on them to be able to back that assertion up?

Re: Iran lawmaker says 50 dead from coronavirus in city of Qom

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Post by tqkxzugoaupvwqr »

radicalbyte wrote: post #65
gzer0 wrote: post #32

Around 99% of the patients developed a high temperature, while more than half experienced fatigue and a dry cough. About a third also experienced muscle pain and difficulty breathing. Research from the Chinese Center for Disease Control suggests that around 80% of coronavirus cases are mild. Around 15% of patients have gotten severe cases, and 5% have become critically ill. Here's how symptoms progress among typical…

There's a flu going around in The Netherlands right now, it progresses like this: - Day 1: Fever, fatigue and muscle pain with a dry itchy cough. - Day 2+: Nausea and diarrhea can be experienced as well as the first day symptoms. It takes about a week for the worst of the symptoms to die down however the stomach ache, cough and light tiredness last weeks. My entire family and most of my son's class at school has had…

> My wife is, after 3 weeks, still really ill. Probably because she's working full time

In my opinion it’s high time to call in sick. She is neither helping herself nor her coworkers by going to work.

Re: Iran lawmaker says 50 dead from coronavirus in city of Qom

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Post by tome »

simonh wrote: post #87
tome wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a lot of misinformation out there too, and not everyone has the skills to "easily Google" for something outside of their sphere of competence. It would be helpful if those who do have hard facts to share do so directly. That's much more efficient than hoping that everyone will simply discover the facts as a matter of course.

If someone posts a comment saying something is historically unprecedented, isn't the onus on them to be able to back that assertion up?

Yes indeed. The onus is on all commenters to back up their assertions.

Re: Iran lawmaker says 50 dead from coronavirus in city of Qom

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Post by brutt »

radicalbyte wrote: post #65
gzer0 wrote: post #32

Around 99% of the patients developed a high temperature, while more than half experienced fatigue and a dry cough. About a third also experienced muscle pain and difficulty breathing. Research from the Chinese Center for Disease Control suggests that around 80% of coronavirus cases are mild. Around 15% of patients have gotten severe cases, and 5% have become critically ill. Here's how symptoms progress among typical…

There's a flu going around in The Netherlands right now, it progresses like this: - Day 1: Fever, fatigue and muscle pain with a dry itchy cough. - Day 2+: Nausea and diarrhea can be experienced as well as the first day symptoms. It takes about a week for the worst of the symptoms to die down however the stomach ache, cough and light tiredness last weeks. My entire family and most of my son's class at school has had…

It's Swine Flu. We have it in our country too. Flu is ok. Swine Flu is bad. Corona is bad. Coinfection of Swine Flu + Corona is super bad because it causes HIV like symptoms, so it's better to be vaccinated against A H1N1 Flu, to worry about 1 virus only.
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