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Re: Which of these Amazon Prime purchases are real?

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Post by KozmoNau7 » Mon, Feb 24, 2020, 2:59 PM UTC

thaumasiotes wrote: post #366

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #305

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Unfortunate, brand loyalty doesn't mean anything anymore: - a lot of companies don't manufacture the product themself - they don't even manufacture two products from the same subcontractor - sometime, the same product, between two batches, is not produce by the same sub-contractor - big players just don't care. Cisco is not going to lose business because you chose to not buy, and most people won't follow you to allow…

> Unfortunate, brand loyalty doesn't mean anything anymore > sometimes, the same product, between two batches, is not produce by the same sub-contractor This is how branding has always been. Gomorrah details the manufacturing process for high-end fashion brands: any number of clothing factories simultaneously accept a contract to deliver X items of clothing in Y time at Z unit price, the brand gives free materials to…

One of the best choices I've made is to simply avoid any product which features conspicuous logos that are obviously meant to be seen.

There is no value for me in having a big Superdry or whatever logo blazoned across my chest. Instead I choose clothing with no logos, aside from what's on the tags inside. I make a small exception for polo shirts, because it just seems like it's integral part of the design to have a small logo on the left chest. I do try to choose high-quality shirts with small unobtrusive logos.

This has served me quite well for a while now.

Re: Which of these Amazon Prime purchases are real?

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Post by luckylion » Mon, Feb 24, 2020, 3:00 PM UTC

j-c-hewitt wrote: post #369

luckylion wrote: post #317

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... and for some reason, Vine pretty much means "all the stars, all the time", so that's not "testing", that's just buying a 5 star review from a "verified" account. It's essentially an ad, not a review.

I don't think most people who aren't Vine reviewers are happy with how it works ('cause they get free stuff). I have seen Vine reviewers leave bad reviews, and I know because I've been yelled at over it.

Yeah, it's not 100%, but it's far north of 95%. When I see Vine reviews, they are pretty much always 5 stars, even on products that have very mixed reviews from verified purchases. When I view the Vine-member profiles from those reviews, it's 20-30 five star reviews for every 1 star review. I can't remember ever having seen them give 2, 3 or 4 stars.

My impression is: you pay, you get 5 stars. They buy a product themselves and didn't like it, you get 1 star.

Re: Which of these Amazon Prime purchases are real?

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Post by j-c-hewitt » Mon, Feb 24, 2020, 3:18 PM UTC

luckylion wrote: post #382

j-c-hewitt wrote: post #369

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I don't think most people who aren't Vine reviewers are happy with how it works ('cause they get free stuff). I have seen Vine reviewers leave bad reviews, and I know because I've been yelled at over it.

Yeah, it's not 100%, but it's far north of 95%. When I see Vine reviews, they are pretty much always 5 stars, even on products that have very mixed reviews from verified purchases. When I view the Vine-member profiles from those reviews, it's 20-30 five star reviews for every 1 star review. I can't remember ever having seen them give 2, 3 or 4 stars. My impression is: you pay, you get 5 stars. They buy a product them…

That's rather how a lot of Amazon reviewers are. Vine-rs are also now the only group of reviewers that can officially review products for free. Naturally when you are getting something for free, it's hard to really take value into account. A lot of 2-star $100 products might be "5-star" if you pay $0. That's something Amazon recognizes in its own policies towards normie non-Vine reviewers.

Re: Which of these Amazon Prime purchases are real?

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Post by homonculus1 » Mon, Feb 24, 2020, 3:46 PM UTC

mortivore wrote: post #375

sn4pp wrote: post #365

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"forced telemetry" is very wrong. Let's see how long it takes until that is illegal in your country.

There are some people that think if something isn't illegal, then it isn't wrong. It's really weird.

Most people never get past Kohlberg Stage 4.

Re: Which of these Amazon Prime purchases are real?

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Post by dbcurtis » Mon, Feb 24, 2020, 4:17 PM UTC

ajmurmann wrote: post #232

erentz wrote: post #2

I see the Amazon fake products problem as related to the social network fake news problem. In both cases you have a company that wants to both have it's platform cake and eat it's publisher cake at the same time. (Sorry for the bad spin on that phrase there.) One important part of our solution here has to be that we force these companies to take a position one way or the other. So in Amazon's case it would need to de…

Just stopping the insane co-mingling of products from different sellers would go such a long way. The co-mingling is in essence destroying accountability and evidence!

Amazon is simply the worlds largest fence for counterfeit goods, and should be treated as such. If your local pawn shop did what Amazon does, the owners would take a ride in a black-and-white cab.

Re: Which of these Amazon Prime purchases are real?

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Post by dhimes » Mon, Feb 24, 2020, 4:27 PM UTC

homonculus1 wrote: post #384

mortivore wrote: post #375

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There are some people that think if something isn't illegal, then it isn't wrong. It's really weird.

Most people never get past Kohlberg Stage 4.

I had never heard of this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Kohlberg%27s_stages_o...

From the wiki page, there are three levels that include 6 stages (two each):

        Level 1 (Pre-Conventional)

            1. Obedience and punishment orientation

                    (How can I avoid punishment?)

            2. Self-interest orientation

                    (What's in it for me?)
                    (Paying for a benefit)

        Level 2 (Conventional)

            3. Interpersonal accord and conformity

                    (Social norms)
                    (The good boy/girl attitude)

            4. Authority and social-order maintaining orientation

                    (Law and order morality)

        Level 3 (Post-Conventional)

            5. Social contract orientation
            6. Universal ethical principles

                    (Principled conscience)

Re: Which of these Amazon Prime purchases are real?

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Post by HeyLaughingBoy » Mon, Feb 24, 2020, 4:33 PM UTC

zeveb wrote: post #376

aguyfromnb wrote: post #355

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> MS continues to do wrong, forced telemetry and upgrades, ads in the OS These things might be unpreferable to you, but none of them are "wrong".

Microsoft continue to produce proprietary software, i.e. software which infringes on its users' freedoms to use, examine, modify & share software; that is wrong.

Are you suggesting that those users have no choice but to use that software?

Re: Which of these Amazon Prime purchases are real?

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Feb 24, 2020, 4:43 PM UTC

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #330

speedplane wrote: post #315

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> I think brand matters more than ever. I'd go further and say that branding is now often the product itself. Nike can sell a hat for 20X more than a generic hat when it has their swoosh on it. Perfume is basically a generic chemical wrapped in a huge amount of marketing. Apple makes excellent products, but there's no question that at least part of the premium you pay is not for better quality, but for the brand itse…

A acquaintance of mine recently told me he was going to start his own rock climbing clothes brand. Naively, I though he was trying to make well designed clothes for rock climbers. As a geek, I though he was trying to solve a problem. No. He just bought Chinese low quality t-shirts, and sticked logos on that and spent all his energy developing the brand itself: communication, aesthetic, mentality, target, etc. I could…

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Re: Which of these Amazon Prime purchases are real?

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Post by Loughla » Mon, Feb 24, 2020, 4:50 PM UTC

arbitrage wrote: post #378

miked85 wrote: post #6

I have started buying most products directly from manufacturer's websites or in physical stores now. The amount of fake products on Amazon is appalling, I wonder why they don't put effort into stopping this.

I tried this recently. Bought something from the manufacturer, paid extra for shipping & handling, waited longer, the whole bit. I felt good about myself, because I don't want to be taken advantage of anymore, and hey ... I'm buying directly from the manufacturer, so they get a higher cut. Right? No. I bought directly from the manufacturer's website, paid them, got email from them, the whole bit ... and it was fulfil…

It's like there was real value in a physical store where you could go, look at the product, and speak to experts about said product. Weird.

All snark aside, though, I see a resurgence in small, boutique mom-and-pop shops for goods in the next 5-10 years as Millennials and Gen-Z get sick of being scammed online. The biggest new thing is that unlike gen-x and boomers, Millennials and Gen-Z are savvy enough to have tried to remedy the situation for themselves and understand it's a whack-a-mole game with no winners.

Re: Which of these Amazon Prime purchases are real?

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Post by Macha » Mon, Feb 24, 2020, 5:01 PM UTC

mortivore wrote: post #375

sn4pp wrote: post #365

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"forced telemetry" is very wrong. Let's see how long it takes until that is illegal in your country.

There are some people that think if something isn't illegal, then it isn't wrong. It's really weird.

It's substantially more common a viewpoint on here, at least anecdotally compared to my real life experience.