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Past Time to Tell the Public:It Will Probably Go Pandemic, We Should Prepare Now

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Re: Past Time to Tell the Public:It Will Probably Go Pandemic, We Should Prepare Now

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Post by irq11 »

jopsen wrote: post #353
irq11 wrote: post #340

Earlier quoted context omitted.

News you can use: you’re living through multiple pandemics , all the time. There’s a flu pandemic (several, actually), that are far more immediately threatening to you than this virus. Society has not yet fallen.

Does this have a very different fatality rate that the flu does? Also many at-risk patients are vaccinated against the flu. Besides, even if you are likely to survive and all, it's still wise to plan for everybody else to panic ;)

The fatality rate is on par with the flu, except in older patients (over 60) where it is currently higher.

Ironic that you should bring up flu vaccination...despite the risk of death from flu being the average person’s greater concern (by far), we still have to beg people to get vaccinated, and the rates are low.

I’d wager that most of the folks fear-mongering about covid-19 on this thread haven’t had a flu shot this year.

Re: Past Time to Tell the Public:It Will Probably Go Pandemic, We Should Prepare Now

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Post by senordevnyc »

irq11 wrote: post #370
senordevnyc wrote: post #360

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s much, much deadlier and more likely to put you in the hospital than the flu, though. The trite comparisons to the flu are honestly irresponsible at this point. There’s a reason public health officials all over the world are taking this very seriously.

It is not. You are making up “facts” and need to stop. This virus disproportionately kills old and sick people. Aside from the fact that over 80% of cases are mild, the death rate in patients under 60 is well under 1%: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia... Even these are based mostly on statistics from Wuhan, where a “confirmed infection” has to be severe to begin with; these rates are going…

Nothing you’ve said remotely contradicts what I said. Feel free to provide actual evidence that my facts are incorrect.

Why shouldn’t we care about a virus that mainly kills old and sick people? Especially when that alone can overwhelm our medical infrastructure.

Additionally, even a 0.5% mortality rate for young and otherwise healthy people is much higher than the flu, and serious cause for concern. I’ll take a 0.5% chance of dying over 2% any day, but I still will take a lot of actions if I can to avoid a 1/100 chance that my daughter has to grow up without one of her parents.

As long as we’re talking about facts and misinformation, let’s talk about your assertion that mortality rates are going to be lower than Wuhan. They may be, but it’s way too early to say. We don’t yet have reliable data on how many mild cases are missed in the official figures, how the remaining unrecovered patients will fare, or how many deaths have been caused by the virus but are not attributed to it in official figures.

Look, I get that you’re scared and lashing out at people who are saying you have reason to be, but you’re not going to make any difference here. This is a serious global issue, which is why every country with significant infections is going to incredible lengths to try and contain it. I’d suggest you stop trying to police people on the internet who aren’t meeting your personal standards for reacting to this and instead do some prep to keep you and your loved ones safe and secure.

Re: Past Time to Tell the Public:It Will Probably Go Pandemic, We Should Prepare Now

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Post by irq11 »

senordevnyc wrote: post #372
irq11 wrote: post #370

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not. You are making up “facts” and need to stop. This virus disproportionately kills old and sick people. Aside from the fact that over 80% of cases are mild, the death rate in patients under 60 is well under 1%: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia... Even these are based mostly on statistics from Wuhan, where a “confirmed infection” has to be severe to begin with; these rates are going…

Nothing you’ve said remotely contradicts what I said. Feel free to provide actual evidence that my facts are incorrect. Why shouldn’t we care about a virus that mainly kills old and sick people? Especially when that alone can overwhelm our medical infrastructure. Additionally, even a 0.5% mortality rate for young and otherwise healthy people is much higher than the flu, and serious cause for concern. I’ll take a 0.5%…

I provided a link to “actual evidence” in the post. Read it instead of posting rumor and opinion as fact.

Nobody said you “shouldn’t worry” about a virus that kills old people. But if you’re not old or sick, you should worry about it less than other things. Like getting the flu.

”I get that you’re scared and lashing out”

What manner of gaslighting is this? I am absolutely not scared, and I am trying to spread accurate information, in order to counter fear-mongering posts like your own.

Re: Past Time to Tell the Public:It Will Probably Go Pandemic, We Should Prepare Now

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Post by charwalker »

klagermkii wrote: post #180
johnwheeler wrote: post #49

Before you propagate this information and take action, read this post about the psychology of fear mongering, and ask yourself if you identify with it. 1. Do you tend to mistrust authority? 2. Do you feel powerless to control the course of your life? 3. Do you feel like you have special information and insight the rest of us do not? 4. Do you feel comfort when thinking about the end of the world because once it happe…

This seems to just be a set of general steps for the dominant culture to downplay dissenters or individuals for whom the system isn't working. It doesn't tell you anything about if the system is actually working or not, or if those individuals are right or wrong. Anyone who disagrees with the system will probably go through similar feelings (maybe not point 4). You could put yourself in the position of someone who gr…

It would allow a count to ten style consideration of personal bias to better frame the news. Down side is if you check #4 it's unlikely you can be reasoned back to reality.

Re: Past Time to Tell the Public:It Will Probably Go Pandemic, We Should Prepare Now

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Post by senordevnyc »

irq11 wrote: post #373
senordevnyc wrote: post #372

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing you’ve said remotely contradicts what I said. Feel free to provide actual evidence that my facts are incorrect. Why shouldn’t we care about a virus that mainly kills old and sick people? Especially when that alone can overwhelm our medical infrastructure. Additionally, even a 0.5% mortality rate for young and otherwise healthy people is much higher than the flu, and serious cause for concern. I’ll take a 0.5%…

I provided a link to “actual evidence” in the post. Read it instead of posting rumor and opinion as fact. Nobody said you “shouldn’t worry” about a virus that kills old people. But if you’re not old or sick, you should worry about it less than other things. Like getting the flu. ”I get that you’re scared and lashing out” What manner of gaslighting is this? I am absolutely not scared , and I am trying to spread accura…

See, there you go again. You’re suggesting that someone young and healthy should be more concerned about the flu, which is absolutely ridiculous and not supported by any data. The only “evidence” you posted is that the elderly and sick are most at risk, which no one was disputing, and which does not support your position that the flu is more dangerous to young and healthy people than this virus.

Re: Past Time to Tell the Public:It Will Probably Go Pandemic, We Should Prepare Now

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Post by senordevnyc »

irq11 wrote: post #371
jopsen wrote: post #353

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does this have a very different fatality rate that the flu does? Also many at-risk patients are vaccinated against the flu. Besides, even if you are likely to survive and all, it's still wise to plan for everybody else to panic ;)

The fatality rate is on par with the flu, except in older patients (over 60) where it is currently higher. Ironic that you should bring up flu vaccination...despite the risk of death from flu being the average person’s greater concern (by far), we still have to beg people to get vaccinated, and the rates are low. I’d wager that most of the folks fear-mongering about covid-19 on this thread haven’t had a flu shot this…

This is absolutely false. You’re comparing the coronavirus fatality rate for young and healthy people to the overall flu fatality rate. Try comparing the fatality rate of 20-40 year olds only between each virus and then get back to us on how they’re comparable.

Also, I’m kind of horrified at how indifferent you are across many comments to the prospect of tens of millions of elderly and sick people dying. Just because you’re young and healthy, no one should be very concerned about this?

Re: Past Time to Tell the Public:It Will Probably Go Pandemic, We Should Prepare Now

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Post by lliamander »

irq11 wrote: post #348
lliamander wrote: post #345

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but we have vaccines for the flu, and as far as I can tell this is far more contagious. Even with a lower mortality rate, the death toll could be much higher. If things do start getting bad, I expect it might happen rather suddenly.

It is about as contagious as the flu. Stop fear-mongering. Also, not for nothing: most people don’t get the flu vaccine, despite endless begging on the part of health officials.

Your accusations of fear-mongering are ill-founded and un-productive.

I'm of course completely factually correct that there is no vaccine for COVID-19 (although there is a SARS vaccine that may help). Which, even if it is only as deadly as the flu, is still a huge issue. I have immune-compromised family members, so I get the flu vaccine. I have no such luxury in this case.

The fact that the symptoms are mild for most people only makes it more of a danger, because people are less likely to self-quarantine if they only have cold-like symptoms.

All the confirmed cases in the U.S. are currently under quarantine. However, the CDC does fully expect that the disease will spread free here in the states.

Northern Italian states have closed all public schools, universities, and public events.

Re: Past Time to Tell the Public:It Will Probably Go Pandemic, We Should Prepare Now

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Post by irq11 »

senordevnyc wrote: post #376
irq11 wrote: post #371

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fatality rate is on par with the flu, except in older patients (over 60) where it is currently higher. Ironic that you should bring up flu vaccination...despite the risk of death from flu being the average person’s greater concern (by far), we still have to beg people to get vaccinated, and the rates are low. I’d wager that most of the folks fear-mongering about covid-19 on this thread haven’t had a flu shot this…

This is absolutely false. You’re comparing the coronavirus fatality rate for young and healthy people to the overall flu fatality rate. Try comparing the fatality rate of 20-40 year olds only between each virus and then get back to us on how they’re comparable. Also, I’m kind of horrified at how indifferent you are across many comments to the prospect of tens of millions of elderly and sick people dying. Just because…

According to the most recent paper from CCDC, under age 40, the current estimate of fatality rate is 0.4%. Between 50-59, 1.3%.

For those with no pre-existing medical conditions, 0.9%:

http://weekly.chinacdc.cn/en/article/id/e53946e2-c6c4-41e9-9...

Death rates for flu vary widely by age, race and location, but these numbers are not out of the ordinary for influenza.

I’m not “indifferent”, I’m calmly assessing relative risks. You, on the other hand, are simply spreading FUD. Go breathe into a bag.

Re: Past Time to Tell the Public:It Will Probably Go Pandemic, We Should Prepare Now

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Post by irq11 »

lliamander wrote: post #377
irq11 wrote: post #348

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is about as contagious as the flu. Stop fear-mongering. Also, not for nothing: most people don’t get the flu vaccine, despite endless begging on the part of health officials.

Your accusations of fear-mongering are ill-founded and un-productive. I'm of course completely factually correct that there is no vaccine for COVID-19 (although there is a SARS vaccine that may help). Which, even if it is only as deadly as the flu, is still a huge issue. I have immune-compromised family members, so I get the flu vaccine. I have no such luxury in this case. The fact that the symptoms are mild for most…

The virus is not “far more contagious” than the flu. It’s about as contagious as the flu, and maybe slightly more deadly, primarily to older/sick people.

You’re panicking, you don’t understand what you’re reading, and (assuming that you aren’t just trying to spread fear) you should stop posting on this subject.

Re: Past Time to Tell the Public:It Will Probably Go Pandemic, We Should Prepare Now

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Post by irq11 »

senordevnyc wrote: post #375
irq11 wrote: post #373

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I provided a link to “actual evidence” in the post. Read it instead of posting rumor and opinion as fact. Nobody said you “shouldn’t worry” about a virus that kills old people. But if you’re not old or sick, you should worry about it less than other things. Like getting the flu. ”I get that you’re scared and lashing out” What manner of gaslighting is this? I am absolutely not scared , and I am trying to spread accura…

See, there you go again. You’re suggesting that someone young and healthy should be more concerned about the flu, which is absolutely ridiculous and not supported by any data. The only “evidence” you posted is that the elderly and sick are most at risk, which no one was disputing, and which does not support your position that the flu is more dangerous to young and healthy people than this virus.

The flu is everywhere, right now. Today. This covid virus has infected a tiny sliver of the human population, in a select few locations, and it isn’t that dangerous if you aren’t old or sick.

Practically speaking, you should be more concerned about getting hit by a car than catching this virus.

You should really stop posting on this subject. You have lost all sense of perspective.

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