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Iran lawmaker says 50 dead from coronavirus in city of Qom

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Re: Iran lawmaker says 50 dead from coronavirus in city of Qom

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Post by nilsocket »

radicalbyte wrote: post #65
gzer0 wrote: post #32

Around 99% of the patients developed a high temperature, while more than half experienced fatigue and a dry cough. About a third also experienced muscle pain and difficulty breathing. Research from the Chinese Center for Disease Control suggests that around 80% of coronavirus cases are mild. Around 15% of patients have gotten severe cases, and 5% have become critically ill. Here's how symptoms progress among typical…

There's a flu going around in The Netherlands right now, it progresses like this: - Day 1: Fever, fatigue and muscle pain with a dry itchy cough. - Day 2+: Nausea and diarrhea can be experienced as well as the first day symptoms. It takes about a week for the worst of the symptoms to die down however the stomach ache, cough and light tiredness last weeks. My entire family and most of my son's class at school has had…

Why are you letting your wife work, when she is not in good condition. You take up the work and let her take rest, and also make sure that she eats and sleeps well.

Give some good fruits and cook proper vegetarian dish.

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Post by qiqitori »

funklute wrote: post #50
gzer0 wrote: post #32

Around 99% of the patients developed a high temperature, while more than half experienced fatigue and a dry cough. About a third also experienced muscle pain and difficulty breathing. Research from the Chinese Center for Disease Control suggests that around 80% of coronavirus cases are mild. Around 15% of patients have gotten severe cases, and 5% have become critically ill. Here's how symptoms progress among typical…

Are you aware if there is any data yet on what proportion of recoveries will experience lasting lung/other damage? For example, is the permanent lung damage seen so far (which I've only anecdotally read about, I must admit) mostly related to ARDS?

(IANAD)

I don't think it is possible to derive any reliable facts from the data right now. Even if the patients who recovered from COVID-19 still find that there is something wrong with them, that could still go away in a week or a month or a year.

However, here is a tiny bit of information on the long-term effects of the 2003 SARS outbreak:

https://www.lung.org/lung-health-and-diseases/lung-disease-l...

> A small percentage of patients had long-term effects from their illness, including depression or anxiety, cough, shortness of breath, chronic lung disease or kidney disease. However, most patients fully recovered.

Re: Iran lawmaker says 50 dead from coronavirus in city of Qom

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Post by JshWright »

qiqitori wrote: post #56
gzer0 wrote: post #32

Around 99% of the patients developed a high temperature, while more than half experienced fatigue and a dry cough. About a third also experienced muscle pain and difficulty breathing. Research from the Chinese Center for Disease Control suggests that around 80% of coronavirus cases are mild. Around 15% of patients have gotten severe cases, and 5% have become critically ill. Here's how symptoms progress among typical…

While 2% is indeed the WHO's current official early estimate, it's still very early to give accurate numbers here. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Using the "closed cases" figures on this page (currently: 27892 closed cases, 25265 recovered, 2627 deaths), we get a fatality rate closer to 9.4%, but I've been monitoring this page for a while, and the fatality rate based on this calculation has improved a lot…

World-o-meter isn't the definitive source for that information. Does the big counter at the top include the large number of people who contracted the disease, but never progressed past a mild stage, and so never reported it to their doctor?

The WHO number is based on more than just the known cases vs deaths tally.

Re: Iran lawmaker says 50 dead from coronavirus in city of Qom

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Post by oefrha »

_-___________-_ wrote: post #54
oefrha wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The immediate sentence following gp’s out of context quote: > adding that lawmakers have no access to coronavirus statics and could be mixing figures on deaths related to other diseases like the flu with the new virus, which first emerged in China in December. So, not necessarily out of his butt, could be mixed up. In any case, 12 dead out of 61 (a quickly rising figure) is already terrible.

The 61 is almost certainly rising much more quickly than the 12. Many cases don't get counted early on, so the fatality rate at this stage is overstated and largely meaningless. Same thing happened everywhere else with a suddenly-noticed largeish outbreak.

> Same thing happened everywhere else with a suddenly-noticed largeish outbreak.

I’ve been paying pretty close attention since early on and nowhere else with a suddenly-noticed largish outbreak had a temporary death rate remotely close to 20%. Not even in Wuhan. In fact 12 deaths currently ranks #3 on the global death count chart when each Chinese province is counted as a separate entity, and any comparable entity has an order of magnitude more cases at least.

Also, it was 8 deaths out of 43 yesterday, so 61 isn’t growing faster than 12.

Without more info, I blame this on shitty medical treatment. 20% roughly matches the percentage of severe cases elsewhere.

Re: Iran lawmaker says 50 dead from coronavirus in city of Qom

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Post by af0GRLoH »

simonh wrote: post #67
roenxi wrote: post #59

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> Stay vigilant, stay careful, but most importantly, do not spread mass hysteria and panic. In the last month almost 1% of the current population of the earth quarantined in China [0]. What exactly worries you about mass hysteria and panic? Why would that be worse than what is likely to happen as Covid-19 spreads outside of China? I'm all in favor of not overselling the danger; but this virus is a real concern. I mea…

>What exactly worries you about mass hysteria and panic? Why would that be worse than what is likely to happen as Covid-19 spreads outside of China? Because then in addition to the damage caused by the outbreak, we will also have the additional often useless and counterproductive damage caused by hysteria and panic.

That is just understood as the hypothesis and the framing of the question. What is the nature of the useless and counterproductive damage caused by hysteria and panic? (I could speculate that it changes economic flows that upsets long term planning and so on, but I would like to hear the opinion of experts on the matter anyway).

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Post by funklute »

qiqitori wrote: post #72
funklute wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you aware if there is any data yet on what proportion of recoveries will experience lasting lung/other damage? For example, is the permanent lung damage seen so far (which I've only anecdotally read about, I must admit) mostly related to ARDS?

(IANAD) I don't think it is possible to derive any reliable facts from the data right now. Even if the patients who recovered from COVID-19 still find that there is something wrong with them, that could still go away in a week or a month or a year. However, here is a tiny bit of information on the long-term effects of the 2003 SARS outbreak: https://www.lung.org/lung-health-and-diseases/lung-disease-l... > A small pe…

Yes, I think you may be right. I did find this, on the long-term effects of ARDS, and the effects are frankly a bit scary. Whether you survive or not, ARDS is clearly something to be avoided.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5757654/

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Post by goblin89 »

ic4l wrote: post #68
qiqitori wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While 2% is indeed the WHO's current official early estimate, it's still very early to give accurate numbers here. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Using the "closed cases" figures on this page (currently: 27892 closed cases, 25265 recovered, 2627 deaths), we get a fatality rate closer to 9.4%, but I've been monitoring this page for a while, and the fatality rate based on this calculation has improved a lot…

I have been confused about this 2-3% figure since they started using it... I mean they are not factoring in the lag-time. It seems like they just are taking all the new patients, and not calculating it correctly. I expect this number to grow.

This NIH representative assessed the fatality rate at more like 1% in an interview to PBS a few days ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6-De7IAS1I

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Post by rorykoehler »

jarmitage wrote: post #41

Reminder that WHO publishes a daily situation report about COVID-19, which is calmer and more informative than most headlines/media stories: https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2...

More facts here: https://bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus...

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Post by tjr225 »

nilsocket wrote: post #71
radicalbyte wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a flu going around in The Netherlands right now, it progresses like this: - Day 1: Fever, fatigue and muscle pain with a dry itchy cough. - Day 2+: Nausea and diarrhea can be experienced as well as the first day symptoms. It takes about a week for the worst of the symptoms to die down however the stomach ache, cough and light tiredness last weeks. My entire family and most of my son's class at school has had…

Why are you letting your wife work, when she is not in good condition. You take up the work and let her take rest, and also make sure that she eats and sleeps well. Give some good fruits and cook proper vegetarian dish.

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