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Ontario's new license plates have a problem: you can't read them

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Re: Ontario's new license plates have a problem: you can't read them

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Ridiculous situation: MPP Lisa Thompson defends new Ontario licence plates. Video clip from Question Period, she calls previous license plates "Liberal plates". https://www.reddit.com/r/ontario/comments/f5xbtt/mpp_lisa_th...

I don't understand the point of this. I don't understand WHY they would waste my money on changing something that worked perfectly fine.

The new plate colour happens to be the colour of the conservative political party who voted it in

Re: Ontario's new license plates have a problem: you can't read them

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> Saw a few of these this weekend, I'm curious to see if the 407 (Ontario's toll road)cameras can read them at night. I imagine this gets changed quite quickly if they can only read the old plates. It would be nice if some of the US states without tolls could do this on purpose, because many of the ones with them use them primarily to extract revenue from out of state drivers disproportionate to the cost of their use…

What's the point of a number plate if it's not to allow a stranger at a distance to identify the car? It seems that Anti-ALPR plates are indeed a bug, although plates may be a misfeature.

> What's the point of a number plate if it's not to allow a stranger at a distance to identify the car?

The point is to allow a human to identify the car, not a network of cameras connected to a computer database. The ideal would be a plate that could be read by humans but not cameras, but failing that, a plate that can't be read by either is preferable to one that can be read by both. That still serves a purpose in satisfying legacy regulatory requirements to have a number plate even if it's now vestigial and no longer serves any non-bureaucratic purpose.

The case for number plates has really eroded over time. Originally they couldn't be used for tracking because the logistics for that didn't exist, so that cost wasn't there and now it is. At the same time, their original value was always rather modest. The strongest case is for serious crimes like a hit and run, but even in those cases you need someone to get the plate number which they commonly fail to do, and in the most serious cases it's even less likely because a victim who dies can't remember the plate. So we're talking about it helping in a minority of a minority cases to begin with.

Meanwhile in modern times it's more likely that the perpetrator will be caught on video (especially when every bystander has a camera phone), and then you have their face in combination with the make, model and color of the vehicle, which is enough to have a non-trivial chance of getting caught and preserve the deterrent even without the number plate.

So on the one hand they now have a huge privacy cost that wasn't there before, on the other hand the value was never that high to begin with and it's even lower today than it was originally. So maybe we should just get rid of them.

Re: Ontario's new license plates have a problem: you can't read them

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Had the good fortune today to drive behind two cars, side by side, one sporting the old license plate and the other the old one. I could only read the old, white background plate but not the new blue one. And that was in broad daylight. Anyone claiming that the blue plates are perfectly readable has either never seen them in action or is downright lying. Incredible that vehicle plates are a political issue but there…

It is apparently not illegal in Ontario to put these very, very dark plastic covers over your plates either, making them so dark that they're barely legible unless you have your nose on that car. Including the (now) old design. Really, all you can see is a dark, smoked, grey rectangle where the plate is. I'm amazed this is legal.

They are illegal, but that doesn't stop ServiceOntario franchises from selling them with a little sign saying (paraphrasing), "you're liable".

Re: Ontario's new license plates have a problem: you can't read them

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Doug Ford is Canada’s Trump. He is a similar embarrassment to an otherwise great region of the world.

That’s okay, I fully support him. There’s bound to be differences of opinion, but after a decade and half of liberal corruption, Doug Ford is incredibly refreshing. Will vote for him again.

Pity that HN is so ideologically biased. Would've been nice to have thoughtful discussion, but I suppose this isn't actually the platform for that, atleast on subjects like this.

Re: Ontario's new license plates have a problem: you can't read them

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Hey at least they aren't e-ink: https://www.reviewgeek.com/4225/california-unveils-new-e-ink...

> The plate can be changed automatically to update the displayed registration data and (theoretically if the State of California approves) display advertisements or other data when the car is stopped.

What?

Re: Ontario's new license plates have a problem: you can't read them

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post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is apparently not illegal in Ontario to put these very, very dark plastic covers over your plates either, making them so dark that they're barely legible unless you have your nose on that car. Including the (now) old design. Really, all you can see is a dark, smoked, grey rectangle where the plate is. I'm amazed this is legal.

They are illegal, but that doesn't stop ServiceOntario franchises from selling them with a little sign saying (paraphrasing), "you're liable".

It’s a beautiful system isn’t it?

Re: Ontario's new license plates have a problem: you can't read them

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> Why Canadians keep the Ford family in power The Greater Toronto Area is very progressive, but once you travel out of that area, it very much resembles the US' flyover states - in appearance and politics. Ford spends all of his time campaigning in dinky little towns that hate Toronto.

Those dinky little town in fly over country! Why do they feel like they should have a say in how the province is run?

They should have a say, but right now they're being leveraged for political gains (like the flyover states!). None of these people voted for gas pump stickers, blue license plates, and education funding cuts. Yet they were leveraged to vote for the party that provided these instead of one that was working to provide lower utility and daycare costs.

Re: Ontario's new license plates have a problem: you can't read them

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Saw a few of these this weekend, I'm curious to see if the 407 (Ontario's toll road)cameras can read them at night. I imagine this gets changed quite quickly if they can only read the old plates.

Apparently speed cameras in Toronto can't read them during the day: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-licence-plate...

Well that's bloody ironic isn't it... That the government ensured that the 407 cameras (privately owned) can read the plates, but didn't bother to make sure the speed and red light cameras (government owned) can as well...!

Re: Ontario's new license plates have a problem: you can't read them

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Had the good fortune today to drive behind two cars, side by side, one sporting the old license plate and the other the old one. I could only read the old, white background plate but not the new blue one. And that was in broad daylight. Anyone claiming that the blue plates are perfectly readable has either never seen them in action or is downright lying. Incredible that vehicle plates are a political issue but there…

Georgia (the state) had to re-vote on a couple of their new license plate designs because one plate had "In God We Trust" on it, and the other plate didn't. I believe the ACLU (or who ever brought up the problem) was worried that people would think that only the one plate would be available with the "In God We Trust" sticker

When the Department of Revenue published the proposed designs, some of them contained the phrase "In God We Trust," while others didn't. It wasn't made clear that the phrase "In God We Trust" wasn't part of any of the designs; it's just an optional sticker that goes where the county name (also a sticker) is usually found on the plate. The miscommunication upset just about everyone because the vote (which was just an online poll, not an official vote) to select a new design effectively became a referendum on whether the state's license plate should contain the phrase "In God We Trust." The Department of Revenue decided to republish the proposed designs without the sticker so that the public could vote again.
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