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Facebook tax court trial begins over Ireland offshore deal

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Re: Facebook tax court trial begins over Ireland offshore deal

#111

These tax dodges are corporate shenanigans, and to me it’s no different than tax evasion.

Tax avoidance is legal, tax evasion is illegal. There’s a big difference.

If the IRS wins their suit then it will be shown to be no different than tax evasion in this case though :-)

Re: Facebook tax court trial begins over Ireland offshore deal

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To those mentioning that Facebook's revenue is $70b: their net income is only around ~$18b. This would be half of Facebook's net income for an entire year, which is substantial. It's a big deal to them.

Not exactly, it's not a good measure simply to take the profit of 1 year as a guide. They will not be expected to pay this fine each year. Turning over a profit of 9Bn, its still after this fine.. Thats still huge. Given their assets, cash on hand etc. I don't think they will lose much sleep. Anyway they will get away with it. They can afford to.

They will not be expected to pay this fine each year.

They will be "expected" to discontinue the behavior the IRS is suing them for. If they do it again, the IRS presumably has cause to sue again.

Re: Facebook tax court trial begins over Ireland offshore deal

#113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's because of the golden rule. He who has the gold, makes the rules.

You are wrong. He who has the guns and the men to use them makes the rules. Gold can be seized, guns must be fought for

historically gold buys guns (armies)

Re: Facebook tax court trial begins over Ireland offshore deal

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

But if you as a citizen owe 1000USD, you'll be pursued more. Its completely messed up, but that's the current rules of the system. Without going into politics, they play by the stretched rules.

>But if you as a citizen owe 1000USD, you'll be pursued more. Is the IRS really auditing people over $1000 in taxes (under $4000 of revenue/income)?

My experience with tax collectors is that they pursue those owing between 10K-500K intensely.

Once it gets into 7-8 figures, you can VERY easily pay proportionately less than the poor suckers caught in the 10-500K net.

Re: Facebook tax court trial begins over Ireland offshore deal

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Doesn't almost every multinational use this arrangement, commonly known as the Double Irish? Why is Facebook getting called out specifically? Surprised the article doesn't mention this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Irish_arrangement#Multi...

Extra large multinationals such as FB, AAPL have negotiated special tax incentive packages beyond the standard Double Irish.

Apple dealt with the EU over this in 2016 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EU_illegal_State_aid_case_agai...

Re: Facebook tax court trial begins over Ireland offshore deal

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post #92

To those mentioning that Facebook's revenue is $70b: their net income is only around ~$18b. This would be half of Facebook's net income for an entire year, which is substantial. It's a big deal to them.

That's what the point of punishing companies for hiding money in tax heavens is. If they got fined $10M it wouldn't be much newsworthy

Making someone pay the taxes they owe is not a punishment.

Re: Facebook tax court trial begins over Ireland offshore deal

#119
Surely this is more about political coercion than tax? Amongst all US companies that offshore profits, including the likes of Halliburton, Facebook has been singled out because the US administration wants the company to do it's bidding regarding policy and algorithms for political advertising? Especially considering all the other political reprisals and pardons that are in the news, following the impeachment acquittal. I expect this story to quietly disappear, or some mild fine to result, followed by a not-so-mysterious tweak to how political advertising is handled on the platform. I don't expect it reduce large corporation tax evasion as much as people are crowing here.

Re: Facebook tax court trial begins over Ireland offshore deal

#120

These tax dodges are corporate shenanigans, and to me it’s no different than tax evasion.

Tax avoidance is legal, tax evasion is illegal. There’s a big difference. If the IRS wins their suit then it will be shown to be no different than tax evasion in this case though :-)

Tax avoidance is your civil duty, tax evasion is illegal
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