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Facebook tax court trial begins over Ireland offshore deal

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Re: Facebook tax court trial begins over Ireland offshore deal

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post #89

These tax dodges are corporate shenanigans, and to me it’s no different than tax evasion.

But if you as a citizen owe 1000USD, you'll be pursued more. Its completely messed up, but that's the current rules of the system. Without going into politics, they play by the stretched rules.

It's because of the golden rule.

He who has the gold, makes the rules.

Re: Facebook tax court trial begins over Ireland offshore deal

#93
> "Facebook Ireland and Facebook’s other foreign affiliates - not Facebook US - led the high-risk, and ultimately successful, international effort to sell Facebook ads,” the company said in a pre-trial memorandum.

This is hilarious! Does anyone really believe the pretense that these are multiple different companies?

Re: Facebook tax court trial begins over Ireland offshore deal

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Is there a reason why Mike Schroepfer is being called to testify? Boz makes sense given that he ran ads for years, Naomi Gleit and Javier Olivan led parts of the growth team for years, but Schroepfer is the CTO. Not entirely sure why he'd be called while Sheryl Sandberg isn't (or any number of people who actually worked directly on revenue)?

Probably because the tax avoidance scheme involves shifting intellectual property and technology to overseas subsidiaries and then charging the parent company a large royalty.

Schroepfer would be asked to testify about the actual source and work product that led to the intellectual property transferred to the Irish subsidiary.

Re: Facebook tax court trial begins over Ireland offshore deal

#95
post #87

The number is big, but simular to when they faced the 5Bn file for antiprivacy in SF also, it's not that big of a deal for Facebook. In 2019, Facebook's revenue amounted to 70.7 billion US dollars, up from 55.8 billion U.S. dollars in the previous fiscal year. Thats revenue. https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/FB/facebook/revenu...

9B out of 70B revenues is a pretty big deal imho, what about profits ?

Re: Facebook tax court trial begins over Ireland offshore deal

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post #87

The number is big, but simular to when they faced the 5Bn file for antiprivacy in SF also, it's not that big of a deal for Facebook. In 2019, Facebook's revenue amounted to 70.7 billion US dollars, up from 55.8 billion U.S. dollars in the previous fiscal year. Thats revenue. https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/FB/facebook/revenu...

I wouldn't call 12% of the annual revenue "not a big deal". I'm pretty sure if I told my boss that my tax plan just cost us 12% of the annual revenue I'd be out on the street in a jiffy!

Re: Facebook tax court trial begins over Ireland offshore deal

#97
post #92

To those mentioning that Facebook's revenue is $70b: their net income is only around ~$18b. This would be half of Facebook's net income for an entire year, which is substantial. It's a big deal to them.

yes but it's my experience that revenue can be played with to determine the net income you find preferable, generally for tax purposes.

Re: Facebook tax court trial begins over Ireland offshore deal

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post #92

To those mentioning that Facebook's revenue is $70b: their net income is only around ~$18b. This would be half of Facebook's net income for an entire year, which is substantial. It's a big deal to them.

That's what the point of punishing companies for hiding money in tax heavens is. If they got fined $10M it wouldn't be much newsworthy

Re: Facebook tax court trial begins over Ireland offshore deal

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post #95
post #87

The number is big, but simular to when they faced the 5Bn file for antiprivacy in SF also, it's not that big of a deal for Facebook. In 2019, Facebook's revenue amounted to 70.7 billion US dollars, up from 55.8 billion U.S. dollars in the previous fiscal year. Thats revenue. https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/FB/facebook/revenu...

9B out of 70B revenues is a pretty big deal imho, what about profits ?

Net income for 2019 was ~18 milliards (or billions for you Americans) so it's half of that!

Re: Facebook tax court trial begins over Ireland offshore deal

#100
post #93

> "Facebook Ireland and Facebook’s other foreign affiliates - not Facebook US - led the high-risk, and ultimately successful, international effort to sell Facebook ads,” the company said in a pre-trial memorandum. This is hilarious! Does anyone really believe the pretense that these are multiple different companies?

The US should have a tariff on intellectual property royalty payments from wholly-owned foreign subsidiaries of American companies.
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