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Ask HN: How do you handle toxic coworkers?

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Re: Ask HN: How do you handle toxic coworkers?

#21
If he's been there for a while and management is comfortable with him, I would just try to stay on his good side, kill him with kindness, he's probably the type just looking for a fight, I'd stay out of his cross hairs if he has the ability to wipe you out/make your work life less than tolerable.

Steer clear and look for another opportunity.

Re: Ask HN: How do you handle toxic coworkers?

#22
The behaviour as described doesn't sound toxic unless they're using it to bully and are persisting after having discussed it. Your communication styles don't match and you need to handle it like any other inter-personal problem: talk to them about it. If you don't feel up to doing it 1 on 1 then ask your manager to help. If you've done all that then I'd say there's a problem and you need to escalate your response.

Re: Ask HN: How do you handle toxic coworkers?

#23
Did you try talking to this person? Did you try having a personal & private chat with them? Are they aware of the impact of their behavior on the environment and their colleagues?

If no, then how about you try talking to them, making them aware of the impact of their behavior on you? You could go like:

"Hey, I've been meaning to talk to you for a while but I didn't know how to put it best, I'd appreciate it if you listen to me until the end, I have observed and I personally think of them as , I'd appreciate it if you could express your ideas/talk to me/write me in a way that is more productive and constructive. I don't want our interactions to always end up being negative and I am actually looking forward to discussing a lot of your ideas in the future. What do you think?"

EDIT: formatting

Re: Ask HN: How do you handle toxic coworkers?

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Talk to other co-workers you trust about how you feel about the guy. If you find 3-4 people who feel like you feel, just arrange to go together to your manager, and ask that this person be fired (don’t settle for less). If you’re ready to quit over this, it doesn’t matter if the process backfires. But if the process doesn’t work, go to the boss of your boss and HR. A toxic work environment is very detrimental to prod…

The "toxic" person sounds like someone who needs coaching on how to interact with folks. Your immediate reaction is to insist on their termination. You may want to reflect on that.

Re: Ask HN: How do you handle toxic coworkers?

#25
My advice would be if you discuss this with either the individual or another employee, I think it's important to talk about the behaviors and results of the behaviors that are of concern and not get to stuck on attacking the person. Sometimes people are just aware of how their actions are affecting the environment around them. Sometimes a honest frank conversation is all it takes. Only sometimes though...

Re: Ask HN: How do you handle toxic coworkers?

#26
Once I was in this situation except there was a group of senior devs who acted like this. There were a lot of junior devs who were scared of these old gaurds. Everyone thought these people were untouchable.

During my one on one with my manager, I mentioned toxic environment without naming names. My manager told me that management was aware of them but was not able to do anything since they never really crossed line and no one ever filed any complaints. He said if enough developers complaint then they can take action even without bullies crossing actual line.

Of course, I didn't want to rally anyone to file complaints. But my manager told me they were not untouchable. So I started holding my ground and eventually bullies left me alone.

Re: Ask HN: How do you handle toxic coworkers?

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If you have to ask, it's usually best not to confront them directly. People who act this way are ready, even eager to get into a fight. Sort of like fighting a bigger person, you want to disarm them. A standard tactic is to be genuinely nice to them. You don't have to like them, but being polite makes them look worse when they are not. You can even be generous to them. This might actually give you some insight to why…

That's excellent advice. Here's less reasonable advice that I've also found works well: bait toxic people into bad behavior. Figure out what gets the biggest response out of them while looking super reasonable yourself. Try to get them fired up as much as possible so they're annoying everyone, especially their manager, and not just you. The more people angry with the toxic person, the shorter their lifespan. Give the…

I'd much rather prefer working with a bully instead of someone who is trying to trick an alleged bully into destructive behavior, personally

Re: Ask HN: How do you handle toxic coworkers?

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are just asking for it. q: “I’m struggling to understand your point, could you restate this in another way for me?” a: 'Your self declared lack of understanding coding standards and basic principles explains "quality" of code you keep submitting'

"You misunderstand. I'm struggling to understand your point because you've made it in a way that focuses more on challenging my intelligence than making yours known." and if he retorts that one in the same way just key his car or something.

Yeah, or let him break down the metaphysics of quality for you - what does it mean to be high quality and why. And where in your coding standards or quality management system, are these statements backed up?

Re: Ask HN: How do you handle toxic coworkers?

#29
This happens on pretty much any project. Dealing with it constructively is a key skill to have. The reality is that you are not going to be best pals with everyone and that should not stop you from having a functional working relationship with people around you.

What helps is not arguing via tools/email/chat. Just don't go there. It's a waste of time and just adds fuel to the flames. Lots of techies have trouble communicating effectively and keyboards generally don't improve things. Just because somebody is being immature doesn't mean they mean you have to take it personally. Escalating to your boss/calling them out in public is a last resort. Your boss will be annoyed that he/she has to be the grown up in the room instead of you.

Instead try to de-escalate and just walk over to the person and ask them to clarify and have a friendly chat about whatever it is that's bothering them and why that's bothering them and try to be constructive. "OK, you think this PR is not ready yet. How do I fix it?". You'd be surprised how often a friendly, informal chat can clear the air. Maybe you still won't agree with them 100%, that's fine. If so, ask yourself what it's worth to you to continue to argue or to simply do things their way.

Re: Ask HN: How do you handle toxic coworkers?

#30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's excellent advice. Here's less reasonable advice that I've also found works well: bait toxic people into bad behavior. Figure out what gets the biggest response out of them while looking super reasonable yourself. Try to get them fired up as much as possible so they're annoying everyone, especially their manager, and not just you. The more people angry with the toxic person, the shorter their lifespan. Give the…

I'd much rather prefer working with a bully instead of someone who is trying to trick an alleged bully into destructive behavior, personally

I agree with you. I mean, anon9001's approach could work... but it would make me have to become a manipulative jerk myself. Since the reason the toxic coworker is a problem is because of what they do to my mental health, this proposed cure looks as bad as the disease.
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