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grooveshark.
Grooveshark has an HTML5 version now, im pretty sure
it probably took the team 10x the time to do that this way instead of flash. it will not work on 100% of the devices. but at least they got some clicks from us that they wouldn't otherway. Continuing with this rationale: if done in flash, it would have take the team 10x the time to that instead of plain html. or 200x the time if done in a simpler html format, like a wikipedia article. it would work on 100% of the dev…
I was a developer working at the studio that did this. Development took roughly the same amount of time in JS/HTML instead of flash.
Our implementation is also time-competitive with flash efforts, despite the immaturity of the tools.
Only on HN you submit an electric car website without further comment - and instead of discussing the car everyone starts arguing over the implementation of the website. ;-)
This was originally submitted with a title that read, "Flash is dead forever" or something similarly sensational and was meant to point out the actual site implementation. In accordance with HN guidelines, the submissions title has been changed to reflect the given title of the actual submission.
One should note that if you pull the site up in IE it still uses flash, which means we still need flash. Unless you're willing to say goodbye to 40% of your customers.
I'm guessing that you mean 40% of visitors to sites (not the one for the Nissan Leaf) use IE. (Or more specifically IE 6.)
I think it's probably a pretty safe bet that folks who are visiting the Nissan Leaf site, and ESPECIALLY folks who would be early adopters and buy an all-electric car, are probably also not rolling around using IE6. (At least, I'd hope not.)
Conversely, someone being on an iPad or Android device is probably a pretty decent leading indicator that they're in the demographic that would consider buying a Nissan Leaf.
I was going to post this as a reply, but several people made the comment that them duplicating what Flash could do, even if done in HTML and JS, wasn't the right path? I can understand the hatred of Flash itself, but why the dislike for these types of sites in general? Not everything needs to be plain text, easily scanable, SEO compatible, clean, simple, etc. This site is as much about marketing and generating appeal…
Why? Because people who are choosing to buy a hybrid or electric usually want EVERYONE ELSE to know they got one. That's one reason the Prius has no "regular" version - if you see a Prius, and its distinctive shape, you immediately know the person bought a hybrid. With other cars, (including the Tesla) you have to see the badges on the back to know. So part of the "moral reward" for buying hybrid, paying more and sacrificing some performance is lost.
A lot of grandiose claims in hopes of the death of Flash around here. As though Flash has never done anything good for anyone. I agree that it's nice that the browsers are now supporting new features that allow so much well needed functionality across the board - but they're really just now catching up to what Flash has offered us for years. Forget all-flash websites. Seriously, forget them. I like the OP's site abou…
> Where would Youtube be without Flash? http://www.youtube.com/html5 > To disregard Flash's place in that history doesn't make any sense. Nobody is saying that Flash wasn't worthwhile, ever. It's just nice that something that used to be a large part of the web can be taken out of the hands of a company, and returned to us all. > But these claims that Flash is somehow the bane of the internet is to deny some of the ve…
So what you're saying is that without Flash, YouTube wouldn't have existed until 2009 or 2010?
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> Where would Youtube be without Flash? http://www.youtube.com/html5 > To disregard Flash's place in that history doesn't make any sense. Nobody is saying that Flash wasn't worthwhile, ever. It's just nice that something that used to be a large part of the web can be taken out of the hands of a company, and returned to us all. > But these claims that Flash is somehow the bane of the internet is to deny some of the ve…
> http://www.youtube.com/html5 So what you're saying is that without Flash, YouTube wouldn't have existed until 2009 or 2010?
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Big Brand Corps don't sell direct. They sell a brand. Selling a brand means doing this thing called "branding", which usually involves multimedia (video, sound and graphic effects).
Only because it's more efficient to sell a brand than it is to sell quality.
The brand is the quality. Branding is just reminding you of the quality.
One should note that if you pull the site up in IE it still uses flash, which means we still need flash. Unless you're willing to say goodbye to 40% of your customers.
Don't mistake "visitors" for "customers". I'm guessing that you mean 40% of visitors to sites (not the one for the Nissan Leaf) use IE. (Or more specifically IE 6.) I think it's probably a pretty safe bet that folks who are visiting the Nissan Leaf site, and ESPECIALLY folks who would be early adopters and buy an all-electric car, are probably also not rolling around using IE6. (At least, I'd hope not.) Conversely, s…
No flash there. It will fall back to flash in Internet Explorer.