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Marketers are panicking over Google's plan to yank cookies from advertising

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Re: Marketers are panicking over Google's plan to yank cookies from advertising

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Post by friendlybus »

manicdee wrote: post #29
friendlybus wrote: post #20

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Who defines what people need? Buying a can of soda is not something people need when water is so cheap. Buying that soda (as a collective effort) keeps thousands of people employed, and keeps their families growing. Society relies on advertising. The Orwellian state has been growing for decades. Adtech is no unique villain in this story. Adtech has been used to sell copies of 1984 and A Brave New World. Something peo…

Why do I need to work to further someone else’s goals just to earn currency to “pay my way”? How does encouraging people to buy Coke help the nation more than just giving that money directly to the public utilities?

Because there needs to be something for 330mil people to do and providing each other with more options for having a quality life is a valuable pursuit. We need doctors, engineers and a life outside work. Soda has its place as an entertainment and socializing drink.

Arguing against adtech and work are two separate things. Distribution of resources will always be controlled. Currency used to buy things is a method of directing resources to people who behave in a way that continues the system. What system do you think works better? I don't know what your goals are, maybe they are achievable without working for the man.

Re: Marketers are panicking over Google's plan to yank cookies from advertising

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Post by eska »

unexaminedlife wrote: post #27

Not sure, but it seems there may be a fundamental question being asked here. If I trust somedomain.com, does this automatically mean I trust advertisers on said website? In fact it becomes even clearer where the trust boundary lies when taking into account the fact that even somedomain.com is putting advertising decisions into the hands of a 3rd party. So, how far should the infrastructure of the web go in terms of a…

> If I trust somedomain.com, does this automatically mean I trust advertisers on said website?

And vice versa, if I don't trust advertisers on somedomain.com, does this automatically mean I don't trust said website? The answer for many people is yes and it results in them not visiting them anymore.

Re: Marketers are panicking over Google's plan to yank cookies from advertising

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Post by manicdee »

friendlybus wrote: post #31
manicdee wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do I need to work to further someone else’s goals just to earn currency to “pay my way”? How does encouraging people to buy Coke help the nation more than just giving that money directly to the public utilities?

Because there needs to be something for 330mil people to do and providing each other with more options for having a quality life is a valuable pursuit. We need doctors, engineers and a life outside work. Soda has its place as an entertainment and socializing drink. Arguing against adtech and work are two separate things. Distribution of resources will always be controlled. Currency used to buy things is a method of d…

> Because there needs to be something for 330mil people to do

I am sure people could find something to do that was productive and fulfilling if they weren’t required to be debt slaves simply to put food on the table.

Manufacturing dietary diseases doesn’t seem to be productive or fulfilling to me. The idea that manufacturing soda is meaningful and productive use of peoples’ time is the broken window fallacy. That, or the very worst of fetishising GDP-as-a-measure-of-quality-of-life.

Re: Marketers are panicking over Google's plan to yank cookies from advertising

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Post by ThePowerOfFuet »

eganist wrote: post #28
pazimzadeh wrote: post #5

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Still paywalled

can't repro; worked fine for me. but here's an alternative i.e. what I see after I load the page and switch into reader view on firefox: https://i.imgur.com/uN0CU9Q.jpg

Thank you so much for having gone to the trouble of doing that for us. Unfortunately, imgur has compressed it into near-unreadability.

Re: Marketers are panicking over Google's plan to yank cookies from advertising

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Post by eganist »

ThePowerOfFuet wrote: post #34
eganist wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

can't repro; worked fine for me. but here's an alternative i.e. what I see after I load the page and switch into reader view on firefox: https://i.imgur.com/uN0CU9Q.jpg

Thank you so much for having gone to the trouble of doing that for us. Unfortunately, imgur has compressed it into near-unreadability.

https://i.imgur.com/uN0CU9Q_d.jpg?maxwidth=1920&shape=thumb&...

Imgur is only nice to Reddit. For everyone else, there's visiting the main imgur page, copying the image url, editing it, and opening it as such.

Re: Marketers are panicking over Google's plan to yank cookies from advertising

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Post by friendlybus »

manicdee wrote: post #33
friendlybus wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because there needs to be something for 330mil people to do and providing each other with more options for having a quality life is a valuable pursuit. We need doctors, engineers and a life outside work. Soda has its place as an entertainment and socializing drink. Arguing against adtech and work are two separate things. Distribution of resources will always be controlled. Currency used to buy things is a method of d…

> Because there needs to be something for 330mil people to do I am sure people could find something to do that was productive and fulfilling if they weren’t required to be debt slaves simply to put food on the table. Manufacturing dietary diseases doesn’t seem to be productive or fulfilling to me. The idea that manufacturing soda is meaningful and productive use of peoples’ time is the broken window fallacy. That, or…

The diseases from an FDA approved soda come from lifetimes of over-consumption of an entertainment product. Exercise leads to injuries from overwork, eating too much asparagus has it's downsides, too much alcohol or sugar are problems. Nothing is pure and infinite.

You don't need to push meaning to it's extreme to prove it's existence. It exists as it is. Soda is a good party drink and sweet drink for restaurants. People drink a few empty and sweet calories to refresh themselves and socialize. That's all it is, it's not a demon, it's not a saint. It's just fizzy water. It keeps many people at soda companies employed, it keeps many restaurants in profit.

Advertising soda is a fine way to have people put food on their table. If you want to productive and fulfilling work, go do it. You can't erase the fact that food is a limited resource that requires a system of distribution and we use money for allocating who and who can not obtain food. In a world where food were truly free and magically appeared out of thin air then there would be no starving people and you could do eat whatever you wanted, whenever you wanted.

You would still "wage slave" for a house, or running water, or whatever else. If you want to live a zero-cost life, build a log cabin in the woods and grow your own food, install your own solar panels. You will be doing the same work you're paying others to do right now but far less efficiently and with greater restrictions. You wouldn't have soda, or anything you couldn't manufacture yourself. But you would have control over the distribution of resources, there you go.

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