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Re: Facebook asks for a moat of regulations it already meets

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Post by riffic »

rhinoceraptor wrote: post #203
gargron wrote: post #92

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The next generation of social networks is already here. It's decentralized and open-source. Mastodon, Pleroma, PeerTube, loads more, all part of the same network, the fediverse.

I'm not sure it's really possible to launch new decentralized protocols anymore, and get any kind of mainstream traction. We have HTTP and email basically by historical accident. Even RSS was shown to really just be an implementation detail of Google Reader, and there wasn't enough of an organic ecosystem outside of that for it to survive.

the protocol has been launched already. it's only a matter of time before the network effect kicks in.

I would assume that once a major media company or government organization realizes they can adopt an implementation of the existing protocol this will move that network a bit closer to the tipping point.

Re: Facebook asks for a moat of regulations it already meets

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Post by freeone3000 »

raziel2p wrote: post #135
josephg wrote: post #59

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On what basis are you claiming that that most teams at FB are optimising the product for well being as opposed to ‘engagement’ (addiction)? Do you have first hand knowledge? Do you know the people involved? Do you have citations? I stopped using FB a few years ago after I had an argument with a friend on the platform. The algorithm decided to keep showing us one anothers’ content - I assume so we would both write mor…

If facebook only shows content you agree with, it's creating social bubbles where everyone is cheering each other on and criticism is not allowed, and you end up with anti-vax groups. And if facebook emphasizes content you engage with (albeit negatively), you end up with anecdotes like yours. Facebook is a tool, use it as such rather than being entitled and feeling disempowered. You can hide people from your timeline…

Is there a mechanism to show a linear list of posts, sorted by time descending, of the direct posts of everyone I am friends with?

Re: Facebook asks for a moat of regulations it already meets

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Post by [deleted] »

snarf21 wrote: post #227
scarface74 wrote: post #195

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And the government also "chose" that it is "good for us" if people of different races (miscengenation) weren't allowed to get married up until the 60's and that people shouldn't be allowed to have sex with someone of the same sex (sodomy) until the 80s. So now you're trusting the same government "to protect your privacy" that would like nothing more than if companies were forced to have backdoors to read secure messa…

That's a fair point and some things take time. But government officials change over time. New ideas come in. I'm not sure who I trust less, FB or the government but government moves more slowly. Companies can (and have... and continue...) to manipulate us on a constant basis. I trust them less.

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Re: Facebook asks for a moat of regulations it already meets

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

ascar wrote: post #53
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #19

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That's easy to fix, just apply the rules only to companies having more than a hundred shareholders, and count shareholders of the parent for any subsidiary. Then you can't restructure Facebook to have less than a hundred shareholders because the number of shareholders is independent of the internal corporate structure.

So any non-public company would be exempt? There are multiple private multi billion dollar companies and I wouldn't be surprised, if they all have less than 100 shareholders.

> So any non-public company would be exempt?

All of the major tech companies are publicly traded.

Being publicly traded is also a major risk factor for hostile corporate behavior, because the top executives of private companies tend to be the owners and care more about the long-term than short-term profits, so it even makes sense as an explicit policy choice to regulate publicly traded companies more than private ones.

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Post by ApolloFortyNine »

ggcdn wrote: post #187
justaguyhere wrote: post #163

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Curious - do these packages work? Have they reduced smoking addiction?

(I don't smoke btw, but my father-in-law smokes like a chimney) Its hard to relate cause and effects, but I see a noticeable decline in smoking among younger people, and smoking has become very uncool. People will also make a big deal about second hand smoke, for instance if you're near a bus stop or busy sidewalk you may get called out. I don't know if anything besides medical intervention can stop a seasoned vetera…

In the U.S smoking has dramatically decreased, and we don't have totally insane packaging like Canada/some of the EU. [1]

[1] https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/08/cdc-says-smoking-rates-fall-...

Smoking has just generally fallen by the way side worldwide.

Re: Facebook asks for a moat of regulations it already meets

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Post by tqi »

blunderkid wrote: post #16

There should be only one regulation for fb, display following warning on all pages/screens: Statutory Warning: This product is specifically designed to cause behavioral addiction so you are guided down a slippery slope of over consumption & that is how this company makes money. Overuse of this product is known to cause - anxiety, depression, low self esteem, constant craving for attention, short attention spans, inab…

Isn't that largely true of most entertainment products?

Music, Prestige and Reality TV, Cable News, Comic books - all are "specifically designed to cause behavioral addiction" if your only criteria is "attempts to attract and keep people on the platform"...

Re: Facebook asks for a moat of regulations it already meets

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Post by fooker »

c22 wrote: post #220
JangoSteve wrote: post #211

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They've already done that. They're called the Facebook and Messenger native apps for Android and iOS. Conveniently, the Facebook mobile web app shows you Messenger notifications but won't let you read them without installing the native Messenger app, or visiting the Facebook on a desktop browser, despite the fact that direct messages have a much simpler interface than the rest of Facebook and that it used to be possi…

I haven't used Facebook in a couple years but mbasic.facebook.com used to let you see your messages.

It still does

Re: Facebook asks for a moat of regulations it already meets

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Post by snisarenko »

Dumblydorr wrote: post #121
gargron wrote: post #92

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The next generation of social networks is already here. It's decentralized and open-source. Mastodon, Pleroma, PeerTube, loads more, all part of the same network, the fediverse.

I'm a regular HN user, deleted FB three years ago, I've never even heard of any of those sites.

I am building a few aggregators if you want to explore the fediverse without registering first.

https://mastodonia.club

https://pixelfed.club

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