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Weird-Looking Freak Saves Apollo 14 (1971)

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> Eyles and some of his fellow Consciousness IIIers regard computer programming as a fine craft that might some day be elevated to the status of an art. “It’s possible to envision a time when there are professors of the literature of computer programming. Maybe some programmers will be minor poets of the 20th Century. The trouble is that programs are written in a language there’s no audience for. It’s like Nabokov’s…

The 19th century contained writing like the writing of Gogol. It also contained writing such as dunning notices, calling cards, semi-literate love notes, graffiti, army regulations, and shopping lists. The literary quality of most of the latter may have been deplorable, but it certainly does not detract from the merit of the former.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being different was itself weird back then, while it's almost normal now. Being long haired and stoned and consciousness oriented, among short haired short sleeved pocket protected engineering units was especially weird. "Freak" would have been the title editor's attempt to put a particular image of hippiness into a reader's head, justified or not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freak_scene

Heh, that article is interesting with how much it references Zappa. I am not his biggest fan, but whenever I hear the word Freak, I think of his song "Hungry Freaks, Daddy".

I'm not the only one who, ever since I opened this article, has been hearing the lines:

The rising tide

Of the left-behinds

Of the Great Society

(too too too too too tee!)

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It's so funny to see an article from 1971 is on the same page as news (and ads) from 2020. If this were a printed newspaper, people would be very confused!

Historical material is particularly welcome on HN. When an article shows up that's old, has never been discussed here, and strikes chords with the community, that's the best!

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does this "Extra!" bit mean?

When breaking news came out a newspaper would sometimes publish an extra edition to go out in the afternoon. The paperboys would stereotypically say, “Extra! Extra! Read all about it!”

At some point paperboys will need to be explained also, and some time after that, newspapers.

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This is the first time in many many months I’ve read an article from begin to end, in one sitting. And then I looked the date it was written: 1971. We don’t have shorter attention spans. We simply cannot handle the utter crap that passes by articles today.

Whenever longform articles are posted from more recent dates, the HN comments are full of people complaining that the article is too long, takes too long to get to the point, employs flowery prose, etc all of which this article would be just as guilty of—were those valid objections to begin with.

I don't know about that. Modern longform articles all seem as if they're trying to be The Atlantic, with a very specific style that seems heavily informed by the conventional language of cinematography - and does not translate well to the written word. In thirty frames a second, it's quick and easy to do establishing shots, for example. Starting an essay with one takes a couple of paragraphs, and once you've read enough such pieces to start noticing that they're doing it (that they're all doing it), it quickly becomes tiresome. In such circumstances, you don't get impatient because of pull-to-refresh Twitter poisoning; you get impatient because your time is being wasted.

This Rolling Stone article, meanwhile, isn't like that at all. It starts by quoting four quick stanzas of doggerel to briefly set the tone, and then it's right into the meat of its subject matter. Four sentences in, you know exactly what it's talking about, and if the subject matter interests you at all, you're engaged. It's written with a respect for the value of its audience's time that is nowhere evident in the modern longform style.

If I had to put the difference briefly, I'd put it like this: the Rolling Stone article is an example of genuine craftsmanship in nonfiction prose. It has a point to make, and it does so, in a way that's interesting and enjoyable without overstaying its welcome. Conversely, the Atlantic style, in which modern longform is conventionally done, is an example of performative prose-stylistry for its own sake. It screams "Look at me! I'm a writer! Look at the way I paint pictures with words!"

Maybe you enjoy that sort of thing. If so, you're welcome. But saying "look at me, I'm amazing" is not the job of journalism, and it's hardly a surprise that people get impatient with journalists who behave as if saying "look at me, I'm amazing" was not only part of their job, but the meat of it.

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Great article. I was curious about the game mentioned towards the bottom:

> At M.I.T. next door to Draper, some of the undergraduates play a game called “Space War.” To play “Space War,” you need a television screen, a computer, and a working knowledge of Newtonian physics. The TV screen shows a planet surrounded by spaceships. Each player fires torpedos from his spaceship, aiming them according to the laws of orbital dynamics. The torpedos must destroy either another spaceship or the planet. The game is enhanced by programming the computer to include such factors as time warps, so that a spaceship can disappear “for years.”

Thanks to the magic of the internet, I found a few versions of the game (actually called "Spacewar!"[0]), both the original[1] without time-warp and the more advanced version described in the article which includes it[2]. However contrary to the article's description it seems only the ships follow Newtonian physics, the projectiles always travel in a straight line, and I wasn't able to blow up the star or planet you're orbiting, though perhaps a version with these features exists and I simply wasn't able to find it. Interestingly, the circular layout isn't just for the game, the screen of the PDP-1[3] Which ran it was circular because it was originally a radar screen!

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spacewar%21

[1]: https://spacewar.oversigma.com/

[2]: https://www.masswerk.at/spacewar/

[3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDP-1

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How do we bring back the national enthusiasm for space again? Enthusiasm that spans across politics.

Maybe I'm out of touch, it seems to take a lot longer to get things done and get something flying into space than it used to. I don't think we can be world leaders with projects like the SLS that never get off the ground anywhere near the expected date. Seems like we used to take more risks or have less bureaucracy or ???

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How do we bring back the national enthusiasm for space again? Enthusiasm that spans across politics. Maybe I'm out of touch, it seems to take a lot longer to get things done and get something flying into space than it used to. I don't think we can be world leaders with projects like the SLS that never get off the ground anywhere near the expected date. Seems like we used to take more risks or have less bureaucracy or…

> Seems like we used to take more risks or have less bureaucracy or ???

More like we had a Cold War to win via technological showmanship.

Today's world has more important, more fundamental political problems to solve (not that we're doing a good job on those either, but regardless). At the same time:

> it seems to take a lot longer to get things done and get something flying into space than it used to

It's never been easier to "get something flying into space" thanks to, surprisingly, private industry. Walking on the moon may be a different story, but significant progress has been made getting both objects and people into space.

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How do we bring back the national enthusiasm for space again? Enthusiasm that spans across politics. Maybe I'm out of touch, it seems to take a lot longer to get things done and get something flying into space than it used to. I don't think we can be world leaders with projects like the SLS that never get off the ground anywhere near the expected date. Seems like we used to take more risks or have less bureaucracy or…

> Seems like we used to take more risks or have less bureaucracy or ??? More like we had a Cold War to win via technological showmanship. Today's world has more important, more fundamental political problems to solve (not that we're doing a good job on those either, but regardless). At the same time: > it seems to take a lot longer to get things done and get something flying into space than it used to It's never been…

Get Russian/India/China to publicly declare intent to put a bunker on Mars.
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