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Re: Facebook asks for a moat of regulations it already meets

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Post by Loughla »

ahallock wrote: post #137
winrid wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would argue this site can make you feel the same way :)

HN is addictive, but I think we're dramatizing things. Is a product that people like to use a lot a bad thing? Maybe that just speaks to having a good product that gives people what they want, rather than some insidious mind-control scheme where people have no agency to stop using it. Are creators supposed to make their products worse so people don't use them as much? I don't get it.

I think the split comes now that companies, such as FB, have focused to maximize 'engagement' with zero thought on the repercussions. Cigarette companies knew people were addicted to nicotine, but I guarantee in their planning sessions they talked about engagement or some other corporate fluff word.

It's less about having a good product or making a worse product, and more about the moral and ethical responsibility to consider what that addicting product's end result will be.

Re: Facebook asks for a moat of regulations it already meets

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Post by joering2 »

coding123 wrote: post #136
blunderkid wrote: post #16

There should be only one regulation for fb, display following warning on all pages/screens: Statutory Warning: This product is specifically designed to cause behavioral addiction so you are guided down a slippery slope of over consumption & that is how this company makes money. Overuse of this product is known to cause - anxiety, depression, low self esteem, constant craving for attention, short attention spans, inab…

It might sound crazy but the govt DID this for cigarettes. Have you read the warning on cigarettes? I mean just look at the suggested box design here: https://www.fda.gov/tobacco-products/labeling-and-warning-st... I mean really look at that, and fully take in the notion that our government required that. That, that takes balls.

If you think that takes balls, then you have no idea how big are European Union balls. Just google “cigarette packages in europe” and get ready to get seriously shocked.

Re: Facebook asks for a moat of regulations it already meets

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Post by mcv »

The most important regulation for Facebook is that they should provide a way to communicate with other social networks, so someone on Diaspora, MeWe or Friendica can follow people on Facebook and vice versa. That way, people won't be forced onto Facebook simply because their friends are there.

And once that has been done, it'll also be easier to cut Facebook into smaller chunks if it turns out they're still a monopolist.

Re: Facebook asks for a moat of regulations it already meets

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Post by stuaxo »

Dumblydorr wrote: post #118
ekianjo wrote: post #116

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> It pains me to come to the conclusion that in Facebook, we have created something that should not exist: an addicative worldwide mob where peddlers can sell emotionally manipulative ideas to the people least able to handle them, Or maybe, alternate world view, it does not even matter as much as you think it does.

It does matter, look at who is in power after democratic elections where FB aided and abetted foreign nations to lie and deceive voters.

Parties within countries were able to manipulate elections, see the UK, with the vast avalaunch of deceptive ads where Cambridge Analytica were involved - circumventing limits on election spending.

Re: Facebook asks for a moat of regulations it already meets

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Post by Loughla »

TheAdamAndChe wrote: post #96
alexis_fr wrote: post #85

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I view it the opposite way: We underestimated as a society how many people were feeling bad. Addictions to alcohol is horrible, but their harm doesn’t scale. With social networks, we suddenly see what we chose to ignore before: The swathes of MGTOWs, Incels, doubters, we also see the swathes of “scientific studies” which were provably wrong, the lies of the medias when you compare the scientific study and how the art…

> we should have taken better care of so many people we’ve put in such horrible situations... Rather than assuming they were just crybabies. It may seemed callused, but they _are_ just crybabies. Just because social media facilitates the formation of certain identity groups now does not mean that the cultures formed from those identities are good or productive. Just look at the increase in suicides, depression, schoo…

>we should have taken better care of so many people

>Those are not mentalities that we should foster and support IMO.

Those are not the same thing. The first says to connect people to services that can help stem the negative and unproductive mentalities. Yours says to help them grow that negativity. These are not the same things.

Re: Facebook asks for a moat of regulations it already meets

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Post by fbelzile »

blunderkid wrote: post #16

There should be only one regulation for fb, display following warning on all pages/screens: Statutory Warning: This product is specifically designed to cause behavioral addiction so you are guided down a slippery slope of over consumption & that is how this company makes money. Overuse of this product is known to cause - anxiety, depression, low self esteem, constant craving for attention, short attention spans, inab…

Instead of regulation, maybe have browsers give you a warning on how the site your about to visit treats your personal data?

We already have warnings in one way or another for: expired SSL certificates, lack of HTTPS, potential malware sites, if your account may have been breached (at least in Firefox), requests for your location or to show notifications, etc.

The next logical step is to have our user agent warn us about sites that have bad reputation for protecting your data.

I use the DuckDuckGo Privacy Essentials, which gives a letter grade based off of the trackers used and terms of service analysis from tosdr.org, in your browser toolbar. You can get it from here:

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/duckduckgo-privacy...

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/duckduckgo-fo...

Re: Facebook asks for a moat of regulations it already meets

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Post by capableweb »

joering2 wrote: post #142
coding123 wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It might sound crazy but the govt DID this for cigarettes. Have you read the warning on cigarettes? I mean just look at the suggested box design here: https://www.fda.gov/tobacco-products/labeling-and-warning-st... I mean really look at that, and fully take in the notion that our government required that. That, that takes balls.

If you think that takes balls, then you have no idea how big are European Union balls. Just google “cigarette packages in europe” and get ready to get seriously shocked.

As a European, I think Australia went even further and just removed all the branding from packages completely. In Europe, brands still get to have some design.

Re: Facebook asks for a moat of regulations it already meets

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Post by yalogin »

They want to get to a point where they just say we follow all laws strictly and continue to violate privacy. That is why zuckerberg keeps bringing it up. Right now he is asking for laws and he wants to get to a point where he can hide behind laws and say “the law has t caught up yet so it’s not our fault we sold your data to the Russians and Chinese “.

Re: Facebook asks for a moat of regulations it already meets

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Post by plop_ »

capableweb wrote: post #147
joering2 wrote: post #142

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If you think that takes balls, then you have no idea how big are European Union balls. Just google “cigarette packages in europe” and get ready to get seriously shocked.

As a European, I think Australia went even further and just removed all the branding from packages completely. In Europe, brands still get to have some design.

Seems like some EU countries are now requiring a plain packaging too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plain_tobacco_packaging#By_cou...

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Post by [deleted] »

coding123 wrote: post #136
blunderkid wrote: post #16

There should be only one regulation for fb, display following warning on all pages/screens: Statutory Warning: This product is specifically designed to cause behavioral addiction so you are guided down a slippery slope of over consumption & that is how this company makes money. Overuse of this product is known to cause - anxiety, depression, low self esteem, constant craving for attention, short attention spans, inab…

It might sound crazy but the govt DID this for cigarettes. Have you read the warning on cigarettes? I mean just look at the suggested box design here: https://www.fda.gov/tobacco-products/labeling-and-warning-st... I mean really look at that, and fully take in the notion that our government required that. That, that takes balls.

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