Maybe it’s a sign that we shouldn’t want government bureaucrats to invade every area of our lives and let grown people make their own informed choices.
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#112Maybe it’s a sign that we shouldn’t want government bureaucrats to invade every area of our lives and let grown people make their own informed choices.
Not making judgment but people rarely take the time to become informed before making a choice.
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#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
There are a lot of fallacies here. I'll take just one. If you'll allow, I'll use a political example from 15+ years ago. When young Bush was running for president, you'd see commentators on TV talking about which candidate had some demographic. Such-and-such had the 50+ white male vote, so-and-so had the hispanic vote, and so on. These people did not know what they were talking about, but it made for good TV. The peo…
While it's true that social problems are complex and multivariate, what gets missed in the American context is the importance of virtuous and viscous circles. So for example the net cost of normalising college debt, and the regulatory exceptions to bankruptcy etc around this form of debt, is not simply a generation entering the workforce in debt. It's massive concrete measurable inequality between those who can affor…
I do not think politics is entertainment, and I support the creation of virtuous cycles.
I think you've created a bit of a dichotomy where none was implied. All of our experiences online can be a form of entertainment, at least in part, politicians may be elected or not based on perception, and it's critically important to have and express values using good people. These ideas do not have to be in conflict with one another, and no cynicism on my part was intended.
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#114Back when the GDPR was still pending, the consensus on HN was that there was nothing to fear because European regulators emphasize the spirit of the law, rather than beating people over the head with the letter of the law like American regulators do. Anyway, the law went into effect and some guy got fined just over $2000 for using CC instead of BCC on his personal mailing list of 150 people. There are a bunch more ex…
HN has an overly optimistic view of the EU and doesn't see it as another government body with limited oversight.
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#115There is a much better way to deal with Facebook. Stop letting them buy their competitors.
Start by forcing them to spin off Instagram and WhatsApp.
Exactly this. That is why there is such pressure to keep Warren off the ticket. I'd love to see her swallow her pride and jump to a Sanders/Warren ticket. If she does well, then she can get her chance in a few years.
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#116I love tech. It pains me to come to the conclusion that in Facebook, we have created something that should not exist: an addicative worldwide mob where peddlers can sell emotionally manipulative ideas to the people least able to handle them, whether it's clicking cows all day long or believing Elvis is still alive. In defense, I don't think anybody that was on-board at the beginning realized this. I do, however, feel…
> It pains me to come to the conclusion that in Facebook, we have created something that should not exist: an addicative worldwide mob where peddlers can sell emotionally manipulative ideas to the people least able to handle them,
Or maybe, alternate world view, it does not even matter as much as you think it does.
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#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
On what basis are you claiming that that most teams at FB are optimising the product for well being as opposed to ‘engagement’ (addiction)? Do you have first hand knowledge? Do you know the people involved? Do you have citations? I stopped using FB a few years ago after I had an argument with a friend on the platform. The algorithm decided to keep showing us one anothers’ content - I assume so we would both write mor…
Facebook is not the only place for combative online interactions.
Marlboro isn't the only brand for cancer sticks.
Re: Facebook asks for a moat of regulations it already meets
#118I love tech. It pains me to come to the conclusion that in Facebook, we have created something that should not exist: an addicative worldwide mob where peddlers can sell emotionally manipulative ideas to the people least able to handle them, whether it's clicking cows all day long or believing Elvis is still alive. In defense, I don't think anybody that was on-board at the beginning realized this. I do, however, feel…
> It pains me to come to the conclusion that in Facebook, we have created something that should not exist: an addicative worldwide mob where peddlers can sell emotionally manipulative ideas to the people least able to handle them, Or maybe, alternate world view, it does not even matter as much as you think it does.
It does matter, look at who is in power after democratic elections where FB aided and abetted foreign nations to lie and deceive voters.
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#119There should be only one regulation for fb, display following warning on all pages/screens: Statutory Warning: This product is specifically designed to cause behavioral addiction so you are guided down a slippery slope of over consumption & that is how this company makes money. Overuse of this product is known to cause - anxiety, depression, low self esteem, constant craving for attention, short attention spans, inab…
I always disliked Facebook and still don't care much for it, but having worked on ranking there for a few months, comments like this just sound incredibly naive. Facebook is not "specifically designed to cause addiction". It's designed by a complicated process with many people trying to maximize many competing metrics, some of which might go up when people are "addicted". In fact the complete opposite is one of the m…
I like to imagine you wrote that comment while smoking a cigarette, you know, for dramatic affect.
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#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
wasn't it taxes?
You're being downvoted, and you're correct. The single most important thing they did to turn the tide against smoking, to create a strong disincentive, was to make it a lot more expensive of a habit. Cigarettes used to be inexpensive when I was growing up in the 1980s. Now you'll nearly spend a car payment on just a pack per day. Chain smoker? There went your rent for the month. Chinese men are the most voracious smo…
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