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Re: Nissan Leaf

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Well it appears that at least the linked site does need flash. If you click on features and specifications the embedded video is flash (firefox 3.6) So not quite true.

I use Firefox 3.6 on Win7 and I don't have a Flash plug-in installed. When navigating to one of the pages that contains video, FF prompts me to open or save a h.264 file with a .mp4 extension.

Re: Nissan Leaf

#122

I don't understand how we've gone from "Flash is crap for entire websites" (edit: which is almost always true) to "Flash is the devil in every situation". It has its place, Javascript will never and shouldn't try and "kill" Flash, they're different.

For the vast majority of things Flash is being used for, it's crap.

Namely, video, and site navigation.

For other things it could be used - but you could also use HTML5 like the site in the example to do anything you'd do in Flash, and not lock out iPad, iPhone, Android users. Plus, it's open.

Re: Nissan Leaf

#123
I don't get why this is better than standard, non-animated text. I just want information about the freaking leaf. By all means, make the typography and design look pretty, but stop with the damn animation. I don't want to have to re-learn a new interface every I want to learn about a new product.

Re: Nissan Leaf

#124

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How exactly are Flash and JavaScript different? I don't see the separate niches you envision these technologies occupying for the rest of their existence. And how can you say JavaScript "will never" kill Flash? Aren't Apple and JavaScript already hurting Flash's market share? Doesn't every major browser release leave less and less that Flash alone can do? Aren't we looking at an example of a major, mainstream brand a…

The thought of Apple killing flash just about makes me sick. I really don't want to be forced into paying the 50-100 percent Apple premium for hardware just because they managed to "kill" a technology everyone decided to hate for no reason.

I have flash-heavy sites, but for the same reason I hate javascript-heavy sites:

* Silly animations are a bad idea in Powerpoint, a bad idea in Word, and a bad idea in web documents. Word seems to be the only place where most people avoid them though.

* Running a program in a web page breaks statelessness.

* Support for disabled readers will get lost.

I understand that gopher - just text and a list of links - is a little too minimalist. But the other extreme (setting up a GUI just to show a document) is worse.

Re: Nissan Leaf

#125

I'm a little worried about losing what is to me one of the main advantages of Flash: that it can be blocked. So your all singing, all dancing website shuts the hell up and behaves like a sedate page full of text and static images. I mean, I can block JS, but it's irritating to have to. That's generally used for useful things like navigation. Flash marks something up as useless pizazz.

Very interesting point here.

Maybe Adobe's next ad campaign will feature this idea: Flash is better because you can turn it off. In fact, if you turn it off, you remove 99% of all truly annoying ads on the web.

Thinking ahead, maybe we need a ClickToJS...

Re: Nissan Leaf

#126
post #63
post #55

One should note that if you pull the site up in IE it still uses flash, which means we still need flash. Unless you're willing to say goodbye to 40% of your customers.

Graceful degradation / progressive enhancement anyone? (Btw, Raphaël supports IE6 too.)

Both of these principles are directly responsible for IE6 still being a supported browser.

Re: Nissan Leaf

#128

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Derp. There are many applications that I cannot run on my computer because my computer isn't an apple. All of these could have been written in flash, and thus been cross-platform. Apple doesn't like flash, because they want people tied to their platform. (Obviously, I'm not talking about plain javascript here, though.) One of these days, a "must have" killer app is going to come around--that could have been written i…

What are you talking about?

Are you really that confused? I'm not talking about javascript, browser-based applications here, but rather the various apps that run on Apple's proprietary hardware. I think I made that clear, and I thought it was pretty clear that Apple is trying very hard to kill flash and replace it with its own platform that depends upon its own hardware.

This seems really, really simple to understand, but let me know if it's still confusing.

Re: Nissan Leaf

#129
but hey, you can build ugly banners with html5 / canvas too ... and the performance will be the same. should be banish html5 too?

Re: Nissan Leaf

#130
post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Graceful degradation / progressive enhancement anyone? (Btw, Raphaël supports IE6 too.)

Both of these principles are directly responsible for IE6 still being a supported browser.

Not really. The uses that make IE6 stick around don't even degrade gracefully on IE6. They only work there.
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