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Re: Nissan Leaf

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Post by danenania »

Having used both (flash extensively, js less so), I agree that flash's closed plugin status completely sucks, and this is major.

That said, for nearly every other aspect of developing thick client RIAs and complex visual experiences, flash/flex/as3 wins by a mile. From IDEs to the display api to as3 apis in general to the true object oriented architecture to lack of browser inconsistencies to client side storage to sockets and networking options to modular applications.

Say what you want about flash. It certainly has its problems and it has certainly been abused, but let's not ignore all the areas where js is still playing catch up and will be for a long time (even it's just IE). Flash has been a lead innovator in web-based interfaces for many years. Even if it's true that it's in decline, completely discounting such an important technology only shows ignorance.

Re: Nissan Leaf

#82

Post by doorhammer »

radley wrote: post #59
citricsquid wrote: post #19

I don't understand how we've gone from "Flash is crap for entire websites" (edit: which is almost always true) to "Flash is the devil in every situation". It has its place, Javascript will never and shouldn't try and "kill" Flash, they're different.

No YC-er would post such an inflammatory title like this. Hacker News has grown significantly in the past few years so the professional tone has inevitably diminished.

I tend to agree with this sentiment.

When I read a title like this, I pretty much assume that I'm not going to get any decent semi-objective information from the post.

It's flame-war fodder if you ask me.

Re: Nissan Leaf

#83

Post by whiskers »

shawndrost wrote: post #79
shawndrost wrote: post #77

Why would a manager at Nissan allow this to be built? They now have to maintain two parallel versions of their complex site. What is the non-ideological payoff?

In case it was unclear, this is a serious question. I'm wondering why a business would build a complex HTML5 site if they're going to have to build a flash version anyway.

I would imagine the case made was to support iPads - presumably a small segment of visitors but I'm sure the agency devs wanted to play!

Re: Nissan Leaf

#84

Post by yuhong »

gloob wrote: post #24
trustfundbaby wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You've got to convince the masses, that you can do Flash ... without flash first, before you can get them to stop using flash.

As soon as the masses decide that HTML5 = "Flash, but better", everything that is bad about Flash will rapidly become everything that's bad about HTML5. Changing the underlying technology will not change the people who use it.

At least people can do view source this time, though obfuscated JavaScript can be a pain.

Re: Nissan Leaf

#86

Post by mynameishere »

spoondan wrote: post #50
citricsquid wrote: post #19

I don't understand how we've gone from "Flash is crap for entire websites" (edit: which is almost always true) to "Flash is the devil in every situation". It has its place, Javascript will never and shouldn't try and "kill" Flash, they're different.

How exactly are Flash and JavaScript different? I don't see the separate niches you envision these technologies occupying for the rest of their existence. And how can you say JavaScript "will never" kill Flash? Aren't Apple and JavaScript already hurting Flash's market share? Doesn't every major browser release leave less and less that Flash alone can do? Aren't we looking at an example of a major, mainstream brand a…

The thought of Apple killing flash just about makes me sick. I really don't want to be forced into paying the 50-100 percent Apple premium for hardware just because they managed to "kill" a technology everyone decided to hate for no reason.

Re: Nissan Leaf

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Post by nfg »

mynameishere wrote: post #86
spoondan wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How exactly are Flash and JavaScript different? I don't see the separate niches you envision these technologies occupying for the rest of their existence. And how can you say JavaScript "will never" kill Flash? Aren't Apple and JavaScript already hurting Flash's market share? Doesn't every major browser release leave less and less that Flash alone can do? Aren't we looking at an example of a major, mainstream brand a…

The thought of Apple killing flash just about makes me sick. I really don't want to be forced into paying the 50-100 percent Apple premium for hardware just because they managed to "kill" a technology everyone decided to hate for no reason.

What are you talking about?

Re: Nissan Leaf

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Post by JulianMorrison »

I'm a little worried about losing what is to me one of the main advantages of Flash: that it can be blocked. So your all singing, all dancing website shuts the hell up and behaves like a sedate page full of text and static images.

I mean, I can block JS, but it's irritating to have to. That's generally used for useful things like navigation. Flash marks something up as useless pizazz.

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