Not bad but not cool . Not upto Flash
Nissan Leaf
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Re: Nissan Leaf
#72I don't understand how we've gone from "Flash is crap for entire websites" (edit: which is almost always true) to "Flash is the devil in every situation". It has its place, Javascript will never and shouldn't try and "kill" Flash, they're different.
How exactly are Flash and JavaScript different? I don't see the separate niches you envision these technologies occupying for the rest of their existence. And how can you say JavaScript "will never" kill Flash? Aren't Apple and JavaScript already hurting Flash's market share? Doesn't every major browser release leave less and less that Flash alone can do? Aren't we looking at an example of a major, mainstream brand a…
So can html5 continually ping a variable (say a time point) while a video is playing, including other variables back to a third party server (if the video content was embeded via a jsonp wisget etc.) ??
Re: Nissan Leaf
#73One should note that if you pull the site up in IE it still uses flash, which means we still need flash. Unless you're willing to say goodbye to 40% of your customers.
i'm in ie and can't see flash...
Re: Nissan Leaf
#74One should note that if you pull the site up in IE it still uses flash, which means we still need flash. Unless you're willing to say goodbye to 40% of your customers.
It even pulls up Flash in Safari5 (w/ clicktoflash plugin).
Re: Nissan Leaf
#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
How exactly are Flash and JavaScript different? I don't see the separate niches you envision these technologies occupying for the rest of their existence. And how can you say JavaScript "will never" kill Flash? Aren't Apple and JavaScript already hurting Flash's market share? Doesn't every major browser release leave less and less that Flash alone can do? Aren't we looking at an example of a major, mainstream brand a…
So can html5 continually ping a variable (say a time point) while a video is playing, including other variables back to a third party server (if the video content was embeded via a jsonp wisget etc.) ??
That's the point - it can do whatever you can do, all technical prerequisites are available (threads, background-requests, runtime-dynamic code etc).
Once the proper tools are available providing diverse standard functions, it will spread and be easier for non-developers.
Re: Nissan Leaf
#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
How exactly are Flash and JavaScript different? I don't see the separate niches you envision these technologies occupying for the rest of their existence. And how can you say JavaScript "will never" kill Flash? Aren't Apple and JavaScript already hurting Flash's market share? Doesn't every major browser release leave less and less that Flash alone can do? Aren't we looking at an example of a major, mainstream brand a…
So can html5 continually ping a variable (say a time point) while a video is playing, including other variables back to a third party server (if the video content was embeded via a jsonp wisget etc.) ??
I don't want to weigh in on the flash/javascript debate, but couldn't you repeatedly change the src on a hidden image with get variables in the url?
Re: Nissan Leaf
#77Why would a manager at Nissan allow this to be built? They now have to maintain two parallel versions of their complex site. What is the non-ideological payoff?
Re: Nissan Leaf
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
You've got to convince the masses, that you can do Flash ... without flash first, before you can get them to stop using flash.
As soon as the masses decide that HTML5 = "Flash, but better", everything that is bad about Flash will rapidly become everything that's bad about HTML5. Changing the underlying technology will not change the people who use it.
It will be worse. This stuff can't be contained with simple tools like Flashblock. Unless you want to block all Javascript by default, which will probably break 99% websites in the near future.
Re: Nissan Leaf
#79Why would a manager at Nissan allow this to be built? They now have to maintain two parallel versions of their complex site. What is the non-ideological payoff?
In case it was unclear, this is a serious question. I'm wondering why a business would build a complex HTML5 site if they're going to have to build a flash version anyway.
Re: Nissan Leaf
#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm no Flash apologist, but there was recently a HN thread about CSS-only drop shadows. Many people on fairly modern laptops reported significant slowdowns when it came to scrolling the page, animations, etc. And that was just with drop shadows. That Nissan example ran pretty clunkily on my laptop and another desktop I checked in the office. (That said, gradient transparencies always seem to doom Flash pieces to slow…
True -- I didn't say flash is completely useless, just that it's losing territory. There is no structural reason why pure browser rendering should be slower, but indeed some tricks are still slow. Anyway, the quip with rendering performance is only a matter of time. With every browser release, CSS and HTML rendering performance is increased, for example, by leveraging GPU acceleration. Flash will be beaten soon, I'm…
Platforms Adobe decides are important vs modern or whatever subset of non-MS browsers are capable of handling what you want to do...
I've had a bad day dealing with HTML email newsletters so I'm probably a bit more pessimistic about it than usual, but all sides of working on the web are a serious pain in the arse!