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An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program

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Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program

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There are several important new pieces of information here and significantly more detail than we had before. In particular, we learn that "Brigadier General Richard Stapp, Director of the DoD Special Access Program Central Office, testified the mysterious objects being encountered by the military were not related to secret U.S. technology." There is also evidence put forward that Elizondo was put on the program becau…

I wonder how certain it is that either General Stapp or Elizondo had visibility into all SAP's, including the unacknowledged ones.

Even if they knew about everything DoD was doing, what about the CIA, which has been known to have its own technology programs ?

Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program

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The author of this article is a very impressive and credible person, but there’s little new covered here. It’s kind of circular logic confirming things already revealed. The individuals referenced are not impartial and are biased by a quest for exotic technology research going back decades. They’ve used their affiliation with the Intelligence Community to enchant investors, all of whom have lost money. The most compe…

> It was KG who first pitched Robert Bigelow on building a pseudoscientific device to communicate with Bigelow’s dead son.

Who is KG ? - Kit Green ?

Do you have a source for this statement ?

Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The theory that this is US-controlled drone tech does not jive with the claims made with regards to aerodynamic performance by David Fravor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eco2s3-0zsQ Basically, skeptics need to embrace the idea that such an off-the-cuff, obvious theory like "it's drone tech" or "it's Chinese or Russian tech" like the one you mention is well outside the realm of things that should be taken seriously…

> Frankly, a much less reaching theory at this point is that we simply don't know what these things are, have completely failed to determine it, and can't safely conjecture anymore they are human created or purely natural phenomena. This is a perfectly suitable place to be given our place in the universe and our current level of understanding, and doesn't require any further leaps to explaining their origin beyond "w…

I think the fact that 13 years passed between the Nimitz incident and it's public disclosure makes it highly unlikely that it was an intentional disinformation campaign.

Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program

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Here's my theory about the recent influx of UFO footages coming from high places. US military was working on advanced drones. Nothing fancy, think current best tech, add 15 years and billion in r&d, that kind of stuff. Then when it was ready for test they flew it secretly before their own pilots and waited for reports. And waited. And waited some more. Silence. They disabled stealth, added flashlights, nothing. Milit…

Sounds very plausible. I think many would agree there are no aliens piloting these craft, and that it isn't that hard to believe there are some groups that the government has either acquired or formed that can make extraordinary craft. Much of the critique of this idea stems from the idea that our government is incompetent in everything that they do. Even that image of incompetence is something that is potentially ve…

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Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Frankly, a much less reaching theory at this point is that we simply don't know what these things are, have completely failed to determine it, and can't safely conjecture anymore they are human created or purely natural phenomena. This is a perfectly suitable place to be given our place in the universe and our current level of understanding, and doesn't require any further leaps to explaining their origin beyond "w…

I think the fact that 13 years passed between the Nimitz incident and it's public disclosure makes it highly unlikely that it was an intentional disinformation campaign.

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Here's my theory about the recent influx of UFO footages coming from high places. US military was working on advanced drones. Nothing fancy, think current best tech, add 15 years and billion in r&d, that kind of stuff. Then when it was ready for test they flew it secretly before their own pilots and waited for reports. And waited. And waited some more. Silence. They disabled stealth, added flashlights, nothing. Milit…

Unlike you, this article has evidence and testimony from a number of places and people specifically saying this is not black project technology. Defense contractors and government IT staff aren't like the MIT grads in Google's AI group. They work exactly 40 hours for a paycheck (each hour logged to a program's charge number), don't "fail fast and break things", don't collaborate within a large open scientific communi…

Maybe its the remains or an artifact of future black project technology, that leaves ripples of pollution in the past.

Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Frankly, a much less reaching theory at this point is that we simply don't know what these things are, have completely failed to determine it, and can't safely conjecture anymore they are human created or purely natural phenomena. This is a perfectly suitable place to be given our place in the universe and our current level of understanding, and doesn't require any further leaps to explaining their origin beyond "w…

I think the fact that 13 years passed between the Nimitz incident and it's public disclosure makes it highly unlikely that it was an intentional disinformation campaign.

If you're saying it wasn't staged, I'd agree that that's obviously true.

Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program

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I personally have no reason to negate the existence of aliens or UFOs. I've read a lot of testimonies about encounters and everything, and they mostly add up with one another. The problem is that this theme is such that there's lots of passionate people out there, and as such, there's lots of fabricated stuff too. One must be diligent when researching about this stuff, but the evidence is really strong;

Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program

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post #6

Here's my theory about the recent influx of UFO footages coming from high places. US military was working on advanced drones. Nothing fancy, think current best tech, add 15 years and billion in r&d, that kind of stuff. Then when it was ready for test they flew it secretly before their own pilots and waited for reports. And waited. And waited some more. Silence. They disabled stealth, added flashlights, nothing. Milit…

>Here's my theory about the recent influx of UFO footages coming from high places. US military was working on advanced drones. Nothing fancy, think current best tech, add 15 years and billion in r&d, that kind of stuff.

The issue I have with this line of reasoning is that if the US military actually possesses technology that's vastly ahead of anything official, then that implies that about 99.9% of the US military budget -- and the entire known fleet -- is essentially a massive disinformation campaign.

Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program

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I personally have no reason to negate the existence of aliens or UFOs. I've read a lot of testimonies about encounters and everything, and they mostly add up with one another. The problem is that this theme is such that there's lots of passionate people out there, and as such, there's lots of fabricated stuff too. One must be diligent when researching about this stuff, but the evidence is really strong;

Much like economists have predicted 7 of the last 5 recessions, ufologists have spotted 7 of the past 5 alien spacecraft
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