I see it a mix of Big Brother, the Galactic Empire, and the Eye of Zuckron.
Treat Facebook like something between a telco and a newspaper, says Zuckerberg
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Re: Treat Facebook like something between a telco and a newspaper, says Zuckerberg
#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the main difference is that you have to actively choose to participate in those groups on reddit, but on FB/IG, that kind of content is pushed at you.
Those users and that toxicity spills out all across Reddit. And not sure how FB/IG would push that content to you unless you were friends with people posting that sort of content.
Reddit's toxicity is a feature, not a bug. If your idea is shit it should be treated as shit.
Re: Treat Facebook like something between a telco and a newspaper, says Zuckerberg
#93So he wants all the benefits of being a monopolistic platform without any of the responsibilities and he wants all the benefits of being a publisher without any of the responsibilities. Zuckerburg wants to eat his cake and have it too. Letting facebook be part telco and part newspaper would make it the greatest propaganda machine in human history - one that is controlled by one person. Hopefully countries will start…
> Hopefully countries will start banning facebook outright soon
After living long time in a country where “ban it” is the answer to all the problems (drugs, child abuse, election interference, terrorism, name it) (USSR, and then recent Putin’s Russia) I’m deeply worried about western voters seriously consider banning the solution to all the problems.
If you don’t like Facebook, Google, Amazon, Apple, just make another one, better, safer, fairer.
Split it if you consider it a monopoly. (I’d personally prefer Apple to stop advertising their streaming service using their devices).
Don’t open the door of government censorship. Once opened that door is very hard to close.
Re: Treat Facebook like something between a telco and a newspaper, says Zuckerberg
#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
So, you're implicitly suggesting that unless I accept a user agreement of one of the dirtiest companies in business I should not be a part of society? I'm really rather glad that we quite obviously don't inhibit the same world.
I'm saying that's already how it is, and that it might as well be made official, i.e. law. To be clear here, I tried to do this, and all it earned me was ostracism. It is not a virtuous act at all, despite what some may like to give you the impression of. In Finland, Internet access is considered to be a human right, and it's not feasible to do a lot of things otherwise, such as banking errands. Considering Facebook…
You're shifting goal posts.
You're moving the discussion from
"You must sign on to Facebook to participate in society" to
"[In Finland] internet usage is considered a human right"
By essentially changing your argument and implying something which I never said and which has nothing to do with what I said you invalidate your argument.
And that "neat trick" (which is pretty transparent, alas) makes you intellectually dishonest.
I think we can close the discussion here. Thanks for playing.
Re: Treat Facebook like something between a telco and a newspaper, says Zuckerberg
#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm saying that's already how it is, and that it might as well be made official, i.e. law. To be clear here, I tried to do this, and all it earned me was ostracism. It is not a virtuous act at all, despite what some may like to give you the impression of. In Finland, Internet access is considered to be a human right, and it's not feasible to do a lot of things otherwise, such as banking errands. Considering Facebook…
You're shifting goal posts. You're moving the discussion from "You must sign on to Facebook to participate in society" to "[In Finland] internet usage is considered a human right" By essentially changing your argument and implying something which I never said and which has nothing to do with what I said you invalidate your argument. And that "neat trick" (which is pretty transparent, alas) makes you intellectually di…
I wasn't trying to move the goalposts, and I find your accusation rude. If using the Internet is considered a human right in Finland, it stands to reason you must use the Internet to participate in society. If Facebook equals the Internet, then you need to use Facebook to participate in society.
That you need use Facebook in order to participate in society also seems rather obvious - a great deal of events are only announced there, so you have to use it if you want to know what's going on.
If that claim is correct, then it seems like it would be a good idea to inform people about it, so that they do not make the same mistake I did and think that you can opt out of Facebook.
And if people do make this choice, knowing full well that they will be ostracized over it, then I believe that by definition makes them antisocial - the claim made in my initial post.
Re: Treat Facebook like something between a telco and a newspaper, says Zuckerberg
#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm saying that's already how it is, and that it might as well be made official, i.e. law. To be clear here, I tried to do this, and all it earned me was ostracism. It is not a virtuous act at all, despite what some may like to give you the impression of. In Finland, Internet access is considered to be a human right, and it's not feasible to do a lot of things otherwise, such as banking errands. Considering Facebook…
You're shifting goal posts. You're moving the discussion from "You must sign on to Facebook to participate in society" to "[In Finland] internet usage is considered a human right" By essentially changing your argument and implying something which I never said and which has nothing to do with what I said you invalidate your argument. And that "neat trick" (which is pretty transparent, alas) makes you intellectually di…
You broke the site guidelines repeatedly in this thread. Please don't perpetuate flamewars or be a jerk in comments here, regardless of how wrong or irritating another user is, or you feel they are.
Re: Treat Facebook like something between a telco and a newspaper, says Zuckerberg
#97Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're shifting goal posts. You're moving the discussion from "You must sign on to Facebook to participate in society" to "[In Finland] internet usage is considered a human right" By essentially changing your argument and implying something which I never said and which has nothing to do with what I said you invalidate your argument. And that "neat trick" (which is pretty transparent, alas) makes you intellectually di…
I wasn't trying to move the goalposts, and I find your accusation rude. If using the Internet is considered a human right in Finland, it stands to reason you must use the Internet to participate in society. If Facebook equals the Internet, then you need to use Facebook to participate in society. That you need use Facebook in order to participate in society also seems rather obvious - a great deal of events are only a…
If you continue to stoke flamewars on HN, we're going to have to ban you.
Re: Treat Facebook like something between a telco and a newspaper, says Zuckerberg
#98Treat Facebook like cigarettes, says me. Suggesting they're a near necessary part of life, like a utility, is laughable. But since he brought it up, replacing them with a proper newspaper would be much more useful.
If you're referring to social media platforms when you say "treat them like they're cigarettes" just remember you're smoking a pack right now.
If Hacker News is a pack of cigarettes, what is Facebook? I mean, this platform itself isn't tracking me across a major portion of the internet or trying to manipulate me to any significant degree relative to Facebook. Maybe some users are, but at least the platform itself isn't. Like any bad habit, some of worse than others.
Re: Treat Facebook like something between a telco and a newspaper, says Zuckerberg
#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
But the thing is absolutely no one should be using Facebook for their news source.
Absolutely. But, this is Zuckerberg's full statement: >I do think that there should be regulation on harmful content ... there’s a question about which framework you use for this. >Right now there are two frameworks that I think people have for existing industries - there’s like newspapers and existing media, and then there’s the telco-type model, which is ‘the data just flows through you’, but you’re not going to ho…
Thanks for the write up. I agree with everything you’ve posted. Bottom line is to never trust what Zuckerberg says. I am sure his days are filled with lawyers hired solely to coach him.
Re: Treat Facebook like something between a telco and a newspaper, says Zuckerberg
#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you're referring to social media platforms when you say "treat them like they're cigarettes" just remember you're smoking a pack right now.
If Hacker News is a pack of cigarettes, what is Facebook? I mean, this platform itself isn't tracking me across a major portion of the internet or trying to manipulate me to any significant degree relative to Facebook. Maybe some users are, but at least the platform itself isn't. Like any bad habit, some of worse than others.
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