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Treat Facebook like something between a telco and a newspaper, says Zuckerberg

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Re: Treat Facebook like something between a telco and a newspaper, says Zuckerberg

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Post by RandomGuyDTB »

heartbeats wrote: post #38
ginko wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, but I don't see how that's a good thing. Many groups near me have moved exclusively to Facebook meaning I'm essentially locked out from participating in them. Previously stuff like this would have been organized through a mailing list or maybe a BBS. Facebook taking this over means that you have to allow them spying on you to take part in basic social activities.

But that is the point. It's a feature, not a bug, to filter out anyone who is not willing to click through a license agreement for the sake of participating in the community. Such an individual is antisocial.

What? Are you delusional? I rarely ever get this concerned at HN comments, but to say outright that one should be willing to give up any liberties or rights a corporation deems are dangerous, in order to participate in a group that has no inherent need for their products anyway, is beyond nonsensical. This is more than can be called a "social contract"; Facebook is committing social theft by stealing away any local groups into its servers.

Re: Treat Facebook like something between a telco and a newspaper, says Zuckerberg

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Post by jayd16 »

sjtindell wrote: post #34
aabhay wrote: post #24

Isn’t that the very problem with Facebook, that it wants to impartially serve content like a telco, but partially control the content like a newspaper?

I don’t think Facebook wants to control content, it’s hard, expensive, and hurts their reputation. It’s users and governments complaining that forces them into that game.

They do and they have. They already let the genie out. They could reimplemented themselves as a privacy focused dumb pipe but they clearly do not want to do that.

Re: Treat Facebook like something between a telco and a newspaper, says Zuckerberg

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Post by threeseed »

hi5eyes wrote: post #31
bonestamp2 wrote: post #22

Treat Facebook like cigarettes, says me. Suggesting they're a near necessary part of life, like a utility, is laughable. But since he brought it up, replacing them with a proper newspaper would be much more useful.

Facebook serves many important roles especially with the groups feature. I know many reddit/tech headasses will jerk off to the fact they abhor facebook but facebook is integral to many local communities helping facilitate an online flea market of sorts and almost being the most important network for students (used textbooks, study groups, entrepreneurship etc.) dont like it but its much more useful than the local ne…

I do love the hypocrisy and lack of self awareness amongst people who criticise Facebook and Instagram on websites like Reddit.

Reddit has some of the most toxic communities on the internet bar none e.g. /r/gamersriseup, /r/kotakuinaction.

Re: Treat Facebook like something between a telco and a newspaper, says Zuckerberg

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Post by jedberg »

threeseed wrote: post #53
hi5eyes wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook serves many important roles especially with the groups feature. I know many reddit/tech headasses will jerk off to the fact they abhor facebook but facebook is integral to many local communities helping facilitate an online flea market of sorts and almost being the most important network for students (used textbooks, study groups, entrepreneurship etc.) dont like it but its much more useful than the local ne…

I do love the hypocrisy and lack of self awareness amongst people who criticise Facebook and Instagram on websites like Reddit. Reddit has some of the most toxic communities on the internet bar none e.g. /r/gamersriseup, /r/kotakuinaction.

I think the main difference is that you have to actively choose to participate in those groups on reddit, but on FB/IG, that kind of content is pushed at you.

Re: Treat Facebook like something between a telco and a newspaper, says Zuckerberg

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Post by tmpz22 »

hi5eyes wrote: post #31
bonestamp2 wrote: post #22

Treat Facebook like cigarettes, says me. Suggesting they're a near necessary part of life, like a utility, is laughable. But since he brought it up, replacing them with a proper newspaper would be much more useful.

Facebook serves many important roles especially with the groups feature. I know many reddit/tech headasses will jerk off to the fact they abhor facebook but facebook is integral to many local communities helping facilitate an online flea market of sorts and almost being the most important network for students (used textbooks, study groups, entrepreneurship etc.) dont like it but its much more useful than the local ne…

It truly is an excellent place to fence stolen goods!

Re: Treat Facebook like something between a telco and a newspaper, says Zuckerberg

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Post by dntbnmpls »

So he wants all the benefits of being a monopolistic platform without any of the responsibilities and he wants all the benefits of being a publisher without any of the responsibilities. Zuckerburg wants to eat his cake and have it too.

Letting facebook be part telco and part newspaper would make it the greatest propaganda machine in human history - one that is controlled by one person. Hopefully countries will start banning facebook outright soon.

Re: Treat Facebook like something between a telco and a newspaper, says Zuckerberg

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Post by edgefield0 »

bonestamp2 wrote: post #22

Treat Facebook like cigarettes, says me. Suggesting they're a near necessary part of life, like a utility, is laughable. But since he brought it up, replacing them with a proper newspaper would be much more useful.

Treat it like cancer...

Re: Treat Facebook like something between a telco and a newspaper, says Zuckerberg

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Post by threeseed »

jedberg wrote: post #54
threeseed wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do love the hypocrisy and lack of self awareness amongst people who criticise Facebook and Instagram on websites like Reddit. Reddit has some of the most toxic communities on the internet bar none e.g. /r/gamersriseup, /r/kotakuinaction.

I think the main difference is that you have to actively choose to participate in those groups on reddit, but on FB/IG, that kind of content is pushed at you.

Those users and that toxicity spills out all across Reddit.

And not sure how FB/IG would push that content to you unless you were friends with people posting that sort of content.

Re: Treat Facebook like something between a telco and a newspaper, says Zuckerberg

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Post by threeseed »

tal8d wrote: post #50
sjtindell wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think Facebook wants to control content, it’s hard, expensive, and hurts their reputation. It’s users and governments complaining that forces them into that game.

I don't think Facebook wants anything, as it is simply an abstract legal concept. Employees and shareholders of Facebook are the ones to watch. They were the first movers on the totally not coordinated Alex Jones shunning. Youtube had previously struck a video or two, but Facebook was the first to bring down the ban hammer. Days later Jones was banned from every other major platform - with Twitter being the single ex…

Those sort of situations are not coordinated.

It's just that companies like Facebook, Twitter etc don't want to attract negative PR attention by being the first to move. Once one of them does move it's far less risky to follow.

Re: Treat Facebook like something between a telco and a newspaper, says Zuckerberg

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Post by mikl »

Of course Facebook wants to have its cake and eat it too.

It would certainly be nice for them if they can claim editorial discretion, without editorial responsibility or transparency. The perfect legal shield. Power without responsibility.

It would be insane to grant them this. This might well be the most important legal question this century.

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