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Treat Facebook like something between a telco and a newspaper, says Zuckerberg

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Re: Treat Facebook like something between a telco and a newspaper, says Zuckerberg

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Post by heartbeats »

CaptainZapp wrote: post #76
RandomGuyDTB wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What? Are you delusional? I rarely ever get this concerned at HN comments, but to say outright that one should be willing to give up any liberties or rights a corporation deems are dangerous, in order to participate in a group that has no inherent need for their products anyway , is beyond nonsensical. This is more than can be called a "social contract"; Facebook is committing social theft by stealing away any local…

I just finished a yoga retreat, on which they organized the group on Facebook. At the intro the karma yogi requested our phone numbers for WhatsApp, which, like FB, I refuse to participate in (I happily provided my number, though) You know what? A bit of an obstacle for the organizers and slightly more hassle for me (for example: I'll have to mail one of the participants so that he mails me the pictures shared on Wha…

In many groups, that's not how it works - you either join up on Facebook, or all dice are off the table.

If so, then it's quite apparent ex-facto why they want to move to Facebook - if people are not willing to go through that hoop to join in, then why would they want them?

Re: Treat Facebook like something between a telco and a newspaper, says Zuckerberg

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Post by CaptainZapp »

heartbeats wrote: post #81
CaptainZapp wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just finished a yoga retreat, on which they organized the group on Facebook. At the intro the karma yogi requested our phone numbers for WhatsApp, which, like FB, I refuse to participate in (I happily provided my number, though) You know what? A bit of an obstacle for the organizers and slightly more hassle for me (for example: I'll have to mail one of the participants so that he mails me the pictures shared on Wha…

In many groups, that's not how it works - you either join up on Facebook, or all dice are off the table. If so, then it's quite apparent ex-facto why they want to move to Facebook - if people are not willing to go through that hoop to join in, then why would they want them?

So, you're implicitly suggesting that unless I accept a user agreement of one of the dirtiest companies in business I should not be a part of society?

I'm really rather glad that we quite obviously don't inhibit the same world.

Re: Treat Facebook like something between a telco and a newspaper, says Zuckerberg

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Post by dang »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #19
hinkley wrote: post #13

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My first thought: Imagine if William Randolph Heart and Ma Bell had a love child.

My first thought: shall I burn it or wipe my arse with it.

Please don't do this here.

Re: Treat Facebook like something between a telco and a newspaper, says Zuckerberg

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Post by nitrogen »

mlb_hn wrote: post #77
celim307 wrote: post #75

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I’d say Facebook does much more than have limited editorial control. They dictate what you see, malicious Intent or not

What do you mean by dictate what you see? Aside from the sponsored content/ads, isn't it just a prioritized queue of what your Facebook friends posted?

Prioritized by Facebook

Re: Treat Facebook like something between a telco and a newspaper, says Zuckerberg

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Post by dana321 »

Its more like a huge building with cameras everywhere watching what you do, with you walking around with a huge sign with your real name on it, your likes and what you have shared. People in far away lands are paid to watch the cameras to make sure what is posted does not violate the building's terms of services.

The building's walls have boards everywhere, some of them move upwards in a continuous loop on a conveyor so you can stare at them, then stop them once you see something interesting, open the ducket contained. They make money by gluing sponsored ads in-between, that you must pay for.

You can see a copy of any other person's board in a small envelope next to each person's name.

There are also rooms called "groups" you can go into but some of them are private and you must answer 3 questions to get in.

Would make an interesting art exhibit recreating Facebook into a physical form, well.. er. The closest thing i can think of is a library..

Its a bit dystopian when you think about the first line i wrote, about the cameras watching everyone. But, its needed to stop horrible things getting posted.

Re: Treat Facebook like something between a telco and a newspaper, says Zuckerberg

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Post by heartbeats »

CaptainZapp wrote: post #82
heartbeats wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In many groups, that's not how it works - you either join up on Facebook, or all dice are off the table. If so, then it's quite apparent ex-facto why they want to move to Facebook - if people are not willing to go through that hoop to join in, then why would they want them?

So, you're implicitly suggesting that unless I accept a user agreement of one of the dirtiest companies in business I should not be a part of society? I'm really rather glad that we quite obviously don't inhibit the same world.

I'm saying that's already how it is, and that it might as well be made official, i.e. law.

To be clear here, I tried to do this, and all it earned me was ostracism. It is not a virtuous act at all, despite what some may like to give you the impression of.

In Finland, Internet access is considered to be a human right, and it's not feasible to do a lot of things otherwise, such as banking errands. Considering Facebook == the Internet to many people, I don't see why the same rules can't apply there.

Re: Treat Facebook like something between a telco and a newspaper, says Zuckerberg

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Post by travisporter »

hi5eyes wrote: post #31
bonestamp2 wrote: post #22

Treat Facebook like cigarettes, says me. Suggesting they're a near necessary part of life, like a utility, is laughable. But since he brought it up, replacing them with a proper newspaper would be much more useful.

Facebook serves many important roles especially with the groups feature. I know many reddit/tech headasses will jerk off to the fact they abhor facebook but facebook is integral to many local communities helping facilitate an online flea market of sorts and almost being the most important network for students (used textbooks, study groups, entrepreneurship etc.) dont like it but its much more useful than the local ne…

It’s true and sad it’s come to this. Meetup is great but just doesn’t get the attention FB does. I either have to deal with the inconvenience of two accounts or let my local frisbee team look up my info, friends, any posts FB “resets” privacy settings on on, etc.

Re: Treat Facebook like something between a telco and a newspaper, says Zuckerberg

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Post by hejei00 »

hi5eyes wrote: post #31
bonestamp2 wrote: post #22

Treat Facebook like cigarettes, says me. Suggesting they're a near necessary part of life, like a utility, is laughable. But since he brought it up, replacing them with a proper newspaper would be much more useful.

Facebook serves many important roles especially with the groups feature. I know many reddit/tech headasses will jerk off to the fact they abhor facebook but facebook is integral to many local communities helping facilitate an online flea market of sorts and almost being the most important network for students (used textbooks, study groups, entrepreneurship etc.) dont like it but its much more useful than the local ne…

It’s just software. There dozens of alternatives: Craigslist, next door, targeting all the things you say

You’ve fallen for exactly Zuckerbergs real goal: make his printing press the only one that matters.

But then his invention isn’t as unique as a physical printing press would have been to a community even just a generation ago.

It’s not as hard to duplicate.

This is where we ended up with forums like this one jacking itself off at how novel it’s Todo app, and IM clone are. So ubiquitous it’s banal, a single example is barely worth the extreme value placed upon it.

This site spent years being mesmerized by the values placed in these companies. It was market manipulation: keep attention on a select few. Government let them become a monopoly of information because they could see the value in distributing their message. Powers that be are always at the cutting edge of information distribution. Not cause they care about tech but propagandizing the public.

And the people cheered it on.

And since you’re so worried about the local value: imagine the local value to tech workers who are hired to deal with local tech needs instead of it being outsourced to FAANGs which can restrict hiring and manipulate wages as they have.

Your post is pure propaganda, mate. You’re regurgitating exactly the talking point they want. Please continue to carry water for the rich man, since he’s so concerned about the local value you highlight... while bailing on taxes that would directly help locals that prop his wealth up by continuing to go to work.

Give me a fucking break.

Re: Treat Facebook like something between a telco and a newspaper, says Zuckerberg

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Post by type0 »

heartbeats wrote: post #86
CaptainZapp wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, you're implicitly suggesting that unless I accept a user agreement of one of the dirtiest companies in business I should not be a part of society? I'm really rather glad that we quite obviously don't inhibit the same world.

I'm saying that's already how it is, and that it might as well be made official, i.e. law. To be clear here, I tried to do this, and all it earned me was ostracism. It is not a virtuous act at all, despite what some may like to give you the impression of. In Finland, Internet access is considered to be a human right, and it's not feasible to do a lot of things otherwise, such as banking errands. Considering Facebook…

> In Finland, Internet access is considered to be a human right

Can Facebook be voted into a law where it is considered to be a human right? It's possible, but before that ever happens chases are much bigger that scientology becomes official religion and everyone will mutate to look like Moomins.

Re: Treat Facebook like something between a telco and a newspaper, says Zuckerberg

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Post by nikofeyn »

dntbnmpls wrote: post #56

So he wants all the benefits of being a monopolistic platform without any of the responsibilities and he wants all the benefits of being a publisher without any of the responsibilities. Zuckerburg wants to eat his cake and have it too. Letting facebook be part telco and part newspaper would make it the greatest propaganda machine in human history - one that is controlled by one person. Hopefully countries will start…

> Hopefully countries will start banning facebook outright soon.

not gonna happen in the u.s. the u.s. government has 99% removed themselves from anti-trust deliberations. i suspect the government is deeply benefiting from facebook's data. in other words, they care about keeping it around.

and in many countries, facebook is the internet, consisting of both user facing applications and the backbone.

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