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Treat Facebook like something between a telco and a newspaper, says Zuckerberg

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Re: Treat Facebook like something between a telco and a newspaper, says Zuckerberg

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I feel like Zuckerberg doesn't get enough credit. I never heard anyone describe Facebook that way, but immediately when I read "something between a telco and a newspaper" I felt like "oh yeah, that makes sense." They clearly offer services that are very telecom-like, and others that are more newspaper-like. They probably also have planned out how being viewed this way would effect them favorably, but it also just mak…

But the thing is absolutely no one should be using Facebook for their news source.

Re: Treat Facebook like something between a telco and a newspaper, says Zuckerberg

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So he wants all the benefits of being a monopolistic platform without any of the responsibilities and he wants all the benefits of being a publisher without any of the responsibilities. Zuckerburg wants to eat his cake and have it too. Letting facebook be part telco and part newspaper would make it the greatest propaganda machine in human history - one that is controlled by one person. Hopefully countries will start…

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Re: Treat Facebook like something between a telco and a newspaper, says Zuckerberg

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So he wants all the benefits of being a monopolistic platform without any of the responsibilities and he wants all the benefits of being a publisher without any of the responsibilities. Zuckerburg wants to eat his cake and have it too. Letting facebook be part telco and part newspaper would make it the greatest propaganda machine in human history - one that is controlled by one person. Hopefully countries will start…

Is he wrong?

Like a telco, Facebook allows people to communicate with one another without going through another intermediary. However, it's not one-to-one like your phone, it's one-to-many.

Like a newspaper the messages are broadcast out to everyone that's subscribed to receive them. However, there's limited editorial control by Facebook (except for content breaching their policies).

If we thought of Facebook as a glorified listserv with a pretty UI (and a bunch of tracking cookies and injected ads) would it still seem like it should be treated as a publisher?

Re: Treat Facebook like something between a telco and a newspaper, says Zuckerberg

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post #70

I feel like Zuckerberg doesn't get enough credit. I never heard anyone describe Facebook that way, but immediately when I read "something between a telco and a newspaper" I felt like "oh yeah, that makes sense." They clearly offer services that are very telecom-like, and others that are more newspaper-like. They probably also have planned out how being viewed this way would effect them favorably, but it also just mak…

But the thing is absolutely no one should be using Facebook for their news source.

Absolutely. But, this is Zuckerberg's full statement:

>I do think that there should be regulation on harmful content ... there’s a question about which framework you use for this.

>Right now there are two frameworks that I think people have for existing industries - there’s like newspapers and existing media, and then there’s the telco-type model, which is ‘the data just flows through you’, but you’re not going to hold a telco responsible if someone says something harmful on a phone line.

>I actually think where we should be is somewhere in between.

Here is a charitable interpretation: he's considering how it should be regulated, not what the company exactly is or should be. And I think his statement there is correct. In practice, many people do treat Facebook like a sort of newspaper. I definitely think they shouldn't, but it's a fact.

He seems to be saying that, as a result, some kind of regulation similar to newspaper-targeted regulation is necessary. But, at the same time, it's certainly not exactly like a newspaper, where content is produced and published exclusively by the source. Facebook doesn't even explicitly curate content (or so they claim), let alone create it; they try to let curation occur automatically through algorithms.

This absolutely may be a duplicitous attempt at humility on his part, but, regardless of the underlying intent, I think his public message is that Facebook is in a unique position where it can influence a lot of people to believe certain claims and ostensible facts like a newspaper would, and yet is not an author of content in the way a newspaper is. I think he's trying to allude to the additional responsibility they have and the risk they pose which telcos don't share, and that there's a need to regulate them more strictly than telcos as a result. He's saying they're a telco that should be treated with some of the regulatory gravity of a newspaper, rather than that they're a newspaper that should be treated like a telco.

So I think people are kind of interpreting it in reverse. He's trying to sound humble and accountable - perhaps to misleadingly deflect from his probable true personal belief that they should have as minimal regulation as humanly possible - rather than arrogantly proclaiming they should be immune from regulation. (One can't rule out the possibility that he's being sincere, but of course that's not exactly his reputation.)

tl;dr I think he's likely being sneaky rather than shameless.

Re: Treat Facebook like something between a telco and a newspaper, says Zuckerberg

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post #73

So he wants all the benefits of being a monopolistic platform without any of the responsibilities and he wants all the benefits of being a publisher without any of the responsibilities. Zuckerburg wants to eat his cake and have it too. Letting facebook be part telco and part newspaper would make it the greatest propaganda machine in human history - one that is controlled by one person. Hopefully countries will start…

Is he wrong? Like a telco, Facebook allows people to communicate with one another without going through another intermediary. However, it's not one-to-one like your phone, it's one-to-many. Like a newspaper the messages are broadcast out to everyone that's subscribed to receive them. However, there's limited editorial control by Facebook (except for content breaching their policies). If we thought of Facebook as a gl…

I’d say Facebook does much more than have limited editorial control. They dictate what you see, malicious Intent or not

Re: Treat Facebook like something between a telco and a newspaper, says Zuckerberg

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

But that is the point. It's a feature, not a bug, to filter out anyone who is not willing to click through a license agreement for the sake of participating in the community. Such an individual is antisocial.

What? Are you delusional? I rarely ever get this concerned at HN comments, but to say outright that one should be willing to give up any liberties or rights a corporation deems are dangerous, in order to participate in a group that has no inherent need for their products anyway , is beyond nonsensical. This is more than can be called a "social contract"; Facebook is committing social theft by stealing away any local…

I just finished a yoga retreat, on which they organized the group on Facebook. At the intro the karma yogi requested our phone numbers for WhatsApp, which, like FB, I refuse to participate in (I happily provided my number, though)

You know what? A bit of an obstacle for the organizers and slightly more hassle for me (for example: I'll have to mail one of the participants so that he mails me the pictures shared on WhatsApp).

Else than that? A complete no-brainer for all involved.

I totally get why those tools are used to help organize such an event. They totally got why I refuse to come close to anything Facebook with a vengeance and were happy to work around it.

As an added bonus I was the only one in the group who shut the phone off on Sunday evening and didn't touch it again until the retreat finished the following Friday.

If people really believe that I'm an antisocial hermit, which cannot be trusted? Well, fuck them very much!

Re: Treat Facebook like something between a telco and a newspaper, says Zuckerberg

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post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is he wrong? Like a telco, Facebook allows people to communicate with one another without going through another intermediary. However, it's not one-to-one like your phone, it's one-to-many. Like a newspaper the messages are broadcast out to everyone that's subscribed to receive them. However, there's limited editorial control by Facebook (except for content breaching their policies). If we thought of Facebook as a gl…

I’d say Facebook does much more than have limited editorial control. They dictate what you see, malicious Intent or not

What do you mean by dictate what you see? Aside from the sponsored content/ads, isn't it just a prioritized queue of what your Facebook friends posted?

Re: Treat Facebook like something between a telco and a newspaper, says Zuckerberg

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Treat Facebook like cigarettes, says me. Suggesting they're a near necessary part of life, like a utility, is laughable. But since he brought it up, replacing them with a proper newspaper would be much more useful.

If you're referring to social media platforms when you say "treat them like they're cigarettes" just remember you're smoking a pack right now.

Re: Treat Facebook like something between a telco and a newspaper, says Zuckerberg

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post #73

So he wants all the benefits of being a monopolistic platform without any of the responsibilities and he wants all the benefits of being a publisher without any of the responsibilities. Zuckerburg wants to eat his cake and have it too. Letting facebook be part telco and part newspaper would make it the greatest propaganda machine in human history - one that is controlled by one person. Hopefully countries will start…

Is he wrong? Like a telco, Facebook allows people to communicate with one another without going through another intermediary. However, it's not one-to-one like your phone, it's one-to-many. Like a newspaper the messages are broadcast out to everyone that's subscribed to receive them. However, there's limited editorial control by Facebook (except for content breaching their policies). If we thought of Facebook as a gl…

You're asking questions which nobody should care about, which goes to show how effective it is to make weird pointless statements like the ones Zuckerburg is making. Placing Facebook in a category is a pointless exercise.

The questions that matter are:

1. How is Facebook harming people?

2. How can we stop Facebook from harming people?

Re: Treat Facebook like something between a telco and a newspaper, says Zuckerberg

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So he wants all the benefits of being a monopolistic platform without any of the responsibilities and he wants all the benefits of being a publisher without any of the responsibilities. Zuckerburg wants to eat his cake and have it too. Letting facebook be part telco and part newspaper would make it the greatest propaganda machine in human history - one that is controlled by one person. Hopefully countries will start…

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