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Microsoft cut off game maker's revenue stream, so he built his own replacement

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Re: Microsoft cut off game maker's revenue stream, so he built his own replacement

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Post by DarknessFalls »

desc wrote: post #32
throway1n wrote: post #30

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Sounds reasonable to me - how else is he going to pay bills if not through some ad revenue? You know glorified 9 to 5 jobs are cool, but some of is indies prefer freedom - and that costs money.

Then you charge a reasonable price. You don't put a 'free' sticker on it with an unknowable 'ad revenue' cost in the background. One might argue that the customer should know the price they pay in advertising data-scraping before logging in, these days, but we still convict people of fraud for taking advantage. Advertising revenue is fraud.

Television has been paying for programming through ads for decades now. Do you think that's not a 'real' business model? A good business model is one that makes someone 7 figures a year for cloning solitaire. It might not be the most enjoyable gaming experience, but if purity of solitaire is what you want, then there are plenty of paid alternatives.

Re: Microsoft cut off game maker's revenue stream, so he built his own replacement

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Post by optimiz3 »

ec109685 wrote: post #11
cwyers wrote: post #4

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...but he can function without it. He built a replacement.

And there are others if his falls short: https://vungle.com/

Vungle is interstitials only; it doesn't have anywhere near the fill rates or yields as MSA.

Re: Microsoft cut off game maker's revenue stream, so he built his own replacement

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Post by crooked-v »

DarknessFalls wrote: post #41
desc wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then you charge a reasonable price. You don't put a 'free' sticker on it with an unknowable 'ad revenue' cost in the background. One might argue that the customer should know the price they pay in advertising data-scraping before logging in, these days, but we still convict people of fraud for taking advantage. Advertising revenue is fraud.

Television has been paying for programming through ads for decades now. Do you think that's not a 'real' business model? A good business model is one that makes someone 7 figures a year for cloning solitaire. It might not be the most enjoyable gaming experience, but if purity of solitaire is what you want, then there are plenty of paid alternatives.

A massive difference here is that TV ads don't come with ubiquitous invasions of privacy every time you see them, nor do they have a small but constant risk of malware infecting your TV.

Re: Microsoft cut off game maker's revenue stream, so he built his own replacement

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Post by [deleted] »

desc wrote: post #29

"People don't consider my games worth what I spent to make them, so I'll sneak in adverts too so I don't have to charge them more and pop their little bubble, so they can continue thinking games are this cheap because the sticker price is still low." No, this is not acceptable, and holding it up as a Good Thing that it's being perpetuated is stupid. Microsoft have seen the writing on the wall (because it's been there…

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Re: Microsoft cut off game maker's revenue stream, so he built his own replacement

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Post by kaetemi »

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #25
tomc1985 wrote: post #22

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What's wrong with that? Much excellent software is still purchased in just this way Or is trust a forgotten skill nowadays?

It’s not us I’m worried about - I remember getting software for my PocketPC in *.cab form from PocketGear.com some 18-19 years ago (wow...) The problem is everyone else: the non-experts. People pay Apple and Google (indirectly) to curate and moderate their respective app-stores. Remember how about 10-7 years ago the web was covered in ads for various DVD/video/movie conversion software? A small number of companies se…

Now it's ads for thin cloud service wrappers around ffmpeg and ImageMagick.

Re: Microsoft cut off game maker's revenue stream, so he built his own replacement

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Post by jussij »

desc wrote: post #32
throway1n wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds reasonable to me - how else is he going to pay bills if not through some ad revenue? You know glorified 9 to 5 jobs are cool, but some of is indies prefer freedom - and that costs money.

Then you charge a reasonable price. You don't put a 'free' sticker on it with an unknowable 'ad revenue' cost in the background. One might argue that the customer should know the price they pay in advertising data-scraping before logging in, these days, but we still convict people of fraud for taking advantage. Advertising revenue is fraud.

Google makes it's billions through advertising.

Google serves up adds along with it's search results and this guy serves up adds inside his games.

These seem like identical business models. Something for free with an advert attached.

Re: Microsoft cut off game maker's revenue stream, so he built his own replacement

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Post by makapuf »

Mirioron wrote: post #37
desc wrote: post #32

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Then you charge a reasonable price. You don't put a 'free' sticker on it with an unknowable 'ad revenue' cost in the background. One might argue that the customer should know the price they pay in advertising data-scraping before logging in, these days, but we still convict people of fraud for taking advantage. Advertising revenue is fraud.

That just means you'll go out of business then and the users will end up using a Chinese/Russian/other country (knockoff) instead with the same ads snuck in there. It costs a lot less to develop software in certain other countries.

You can justify any business with that kind of argument.

Re: Microsoft cut off game maker's revenue stream, so he built his own replacement

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Post by DesiLurker »

chii wrote: post #34
wtracy wrote: post #14

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What's the alternative for native mobile apps today? Roll your own smartphone OS? And yes, I'm deeply frustrated with Apple and Google for so forceably locking everyone into their walled gardens.

> I'm deeply frustrated with Apple and Google for so forceably locking everyone into their walled gardens. And yet the developers made the app for those platforms anyway, even though an alternative exists - the free and open web.

so its app-developers fault that they have to stick to the only 2 choices that have captured almost all of market? not the regulators fault that they allowed such monopolies to arise?

Re: Microsoft cut off game maker's revenue stream, so he built his own replacement

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Post by thisiswater »

Fjolsvith wrote: post #27
albertshin wrote: post #26

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Have you considered that perhaps it's not the ad itself but that it just takes a 15-30 seconds of a delay to maybe realize that you're about to waste your time / ease your boredom that maybe keeps you from playing?

Every ad on YouTube makes me reconsider how badly I want to watch the video. Lots of times I just close YouTube and pull up Bitchute.

Tangent: Is there anything on bitchute that isn't right-wing or conspiracy theory? I've just pulled it up for the first time and by the front-page videos it's an alt-right cesspool. I'll use the alternative if it's viable, but this content isn't.
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