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Post by huherto »

pacala wrote: post #291
DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #236

I'm going to make an outrageous prediction: due to the changing geopolitical landscape which has been going on since 9/11, loss of trust in the US as a "leader" that can keep the data safe, we will move away from the cloud and back to a model where data sovereignty trumps all else. This will be enabled by changes to the underlying infrastructure - moving away from BGP and adopting (BGP backward compatible) protocols…

Cloud and Energy have similar economics. No economic entity I know of operates their own power plant and power distribution network in their backyard. No economic entity should be expected to operate their own datacenters and data networks. The Cloud is here to stay, just as Energy utilities are here to stay. What EU needs to do is to recognize the strategic importance of the Cloud, invest in EU Cloud infrastructure…

This was the vision of Multics, which was the predecesor of Unix. It is interesting how things come around.

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Post by kerng »

jonahbenton wrote: post #307
corentin88 wrote: post #252

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I hope you’re right. My team have chosen Google Cloud. With every news like this one, the risk that Google will shutdown its cloud division seems more and more likely to happen.

No. I don't work for Google but that earlier unfortunate piece from the inaptly named "The Information" represents a complete misinterpretation of management-speak and a fundamental misunderstanding of cloud market dynamics. Google will be in the "cloud" business until the heat death of the universe, but what "cloud" means and where the respective monsters go looking for their next meal and how much capital they put…

>> Google will be in the "cloud" business until the heat death of the universe

Maybe consumer space, in enterprise I would not bet on it.

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Post by ohyeshedid »

captain_price7 wrote: post #303
lr4444lr wrote: post #279

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It is rude, but the OP says "the cloud is dead" What!? That deserves to be called out.

OP prefaced by saying "outrageous prediction" - admitting plainly its pure speculation. If s/he didn't do that, that would be something that deserves to be called out.

Stating you're making a wild claim, in advance, doesn't mean you can avoid the responses to it.

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Post by cameronbrown »

rossdavidh wrote: post #295
DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #236

I'm going to make an outrageous prediction: due to the changing geopolitical landscape which has been going on since 9/11, loss of trust in the US as a "leader" that can keep the data safe, we will move away from the cloud and back to a model where data sovereignty trumps all else. This will be enabled by changes to the underlying infrastructure - moving away from BGP and adopting (BGP backward compatible) protocols…

I think there will also be an enormous drop in revenue once the next recession comes. A lot of loss-making companies, aiming to grow as fast as possible using VC money, use cloud providers because it's one less thing they have to learn how to do. If they have an actual business model, like Dropbox, they eventually self-host. If they don't, and didn't really expect to have to develop a business model other than "grow…

Startups are not the primary customer of cloud providers. Enterprises are - and arguably that's where all the money is.

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Post by ec109685 »

PunchTornado wrote: post #251
ec109685 wrote: post #140

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It still seems strange they don’t need more of this person’s role and would instead eliminate it: https://twitter.com/whyhiannabelle/status/122810842950535168... It isn’t a good look. “This morning I learned that my role at Google has been eliminated. If you've got an opening for someone who's in Kubernetes and containers security, focuses on content, advocacy, and communication, and has an OSS background, holler!”

why? do you think cloud marketing people are hard to find?

If it's growing like it should be, why would they be cutting her role (e.g. it wasn't performance related, so they aren't going to backfill).

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Post by random314 »

ericd wrote: post #231
random314 wrote: post #210

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Roles that don't involve recursion? What next, no for loops please - we are developers!!

Shrug recursion, where it makes sense, is wonderful and fun. I’m always happy when I find a problem where it makes sense, because those tend to be interesting problems. But in a lot of roles, working in languages like Python and Java, it just isn’t the best option very often.

Yes of course, traversing directories or dependencies is hard. We are developers, not mercenaries!

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Post by smt88 »

balladeer wrote: post #189
smt88 wrote: post #181

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> In the first world, if you hire 100 people for a 5-man project, people end up to invent and justify 100-man's job. Everyone's role would become their identity, everyone is busy and hardworking. The output is high, they would also have fancy analytics and reports. This is such utter nonsense that it's hard to believe you've worked in any human organization. People in the first and third world are not different speci…

Interesting. There are two contradicting unsubstantiated observations, or let's just say blatant generalisations, one gets downvoted another flourishes.

I made no generalizations. I did exactly the opposite: I pointed out that there are many exceptions to the 1st/3rd world generalizations, rendering them false.

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Post by [deleted] »

onion2k wrote: post #59
petilon wrote: post #55

Google generated $8.9 billion in cloud sales last year, up 52.7% from $5.8 billion in 2018 and $4.1 billion the year prior. Doesn't sound like Google's cloud business is in trouble.

If it costs $10bn a year to run that would mean it represents a $1.1bn loss, and it should be killed if Google can't turn it around. Revenue is a terrible metric to judge something on.

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Post by pdelgallego »

tmpz22 wrote: post #146
scarface74 wrote: post #129

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Not to mention that Google is so full of “smart people” (tm) that their sales force is made up of people who probably would never stoop low enough to do lift and shifts as phase 1. They would probably want you to move everything to k8s and rewrite your entire stack. As opposed to MS. If a business has a legacy app that requires a 10 year old version of Sql Server running on a 12 year old version of Windows, they will…

They've recently brought in a bunch of Oracle people to run GCP so, I'm pretty sure anything is on the table at this point.

They are also hiring lots of MS and AWS sales AMs, SAs, and ProServe people
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