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Post by pacala »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #236

I'm going to make an outrageous prediction: due to the changing geopolitical landscape which has been going on since 9/11, loss of trust in the US as a "leader" that can keep the data safe, we will move away from the cloud and back to a model where data sovereignty trumps all else. This will be enabled by changes to the underlying infrastructure - moving away from BGP and adopting (BGP backward compatible) protocols…

Cloud and Energy have similar economics. No economic entity I know of operates their own power plant and power distribution network in their backyard. No economic entity should be expected to operate their own datacenters and data networks. The Cloud is here to stay, just as Energy utilities are here to stay. What EU needs to do is to recognize the strategic importance of the Cloud, invest in EU Cloud infrastructure and ban American/Chinese companies from running EU Cloud datacenters. Then pray latency costs are sufficient to keep EU companies from moving their data overseas.

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Post by oblio »

sbenji wrote: post #250
DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #236

I'm going to make an outrageous prediction: due to the changing geopolitical landscape which has been going on since 9/11, loss of trust in the US as a "leader" that can keep the data safe, we will move away from the cloud and back to a model where data sovereignty trumps all else. This will be enabled by changes to the underlying infrastructure - moving away from BGP and adopting (BGP backward compatible) protocols…

Data sovereignty will not impact cloud providers as us companies are already regionalizing data.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Act

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLOUD_Act

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Post by beamatronic »

rurban wrote: post #198

So the new boss is from Oracle, who hired new managers from SAP and Microsoft, they are hiring like crazy and cutting some old jobs. Looks like they are trying to get rid of internal critics, resistance. Interesting wars

I thought A’s hired A’s at Google!

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Post by hello_moto »

manigandham wrote: post #229
hello_moto wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the business is only optimizing one specific focus then yeah it is removing the humanity aspect from the co-operation of its worker and focusing only in resource extraction/consumption.

Specific focus of getting the best workers? Since when is competence divorced from humanity? A business isn’t a family, I don’t see your perspective here. The alternative seems to be that they keep poor talent because it’s more... humane?

You miss a group in between: the average.

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Post by rossdavidh »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #236

I'm going to make an outrageous prediction: due to the changing geopolitical landscape which has been going on since 9/11, loss of trust in the US as a "leader" that can keep the data safe, we will move away from the cloud and back to a model where data sovereignty trumps all else. This will be enabled by changes to the underlying infrastructure - moving away from BGP and adopting (BGP backward compatible) protocols…

I think there will also be an enormous drop in revenue once the next recession comes. A lot of loss-making companies, aiming to grow as fast as possible using VC money, use cloud providers because it's one less thing they have to learn how to do. If they have an actual business model, like Dropbox, they eventually self-host. If they don't, and didn't really expect to have to develop a business model other than "grow really big", then once the VC spigot gets turned off they will shut down.

It is much like the late 90's boom, when a lot of companies were selling banner ads to each other. Even the ones who appeared to be profitable weren't really, because all of their customers were not. Once the loss-making customers of cloud companies go away, the big three cloud companies may find that they don't have a business model either.

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Post by stiray »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #236

I'm going to make an outrageous prediction: due to the changing geopolitical landscape which has been going on since 9/11, loss of trust in the US as a "leader" that can keep the data safe, we will move away from the cloud and back to a model where data sovereignty trumps all else. This will be enabled by changes to the underlying infrastructure - moving away from BGP and adopting (BGP backward compatible) protocols…

I completely agree with you. EU trust into US companies is all time low between technical personal and not without a reason, companies like google and facebook has made USA look really bad, even more with their ignorance to GDPR which is a huge thing in EU. All countries have some bad connection and history ties to some dictatorship that was collecting data to remove the oposition, from Stasi, UDBA, Securitate not to mention Gestapo that gave data collection bad taste for future generations that are learning this in primary school. USA didnt have ww2 on their soil. Hoower is probably their only connection to massive survailance and even that one was limited. People there just dont get it that privacy in EU is not the same thing as in USA, we had massive killings and torture due to lack of it. Europe remebers it and FB and Google are poking into one open wound they shouldnt. To have Crypto AG connection with CIA in national news is something that never happened before (highly specialized hitech themes is typically not submitted to general public). And then Facebook got kicked due to trying to smuggle something forbidden (this is perception of average cityzen) You couldnt wish for worse publicity for their service. And USA is always tied to this.

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Post by danans »

wyclif wrote: post #61
sdenton4 wrote: post #58

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From the couple people I know who have done this, I think it's pretty choose-your-own-adventure... Get paid to look for your new job, with very few actual responsibilities. It's worthwhile to compare this relative downtime to ramp-up time for new hires... who also generally spend a couple-few months being fairly useless (though working hard at it). And googlers being googlers, there's a decent chance that the 'down'…

So...it's kind of like being Big Head working at Hooli? Hanging out on the roof, or building potato guns and piezoelectric sensors?

Not really. It was pretty stressful for me last time since I needed to find a project whose commute allowed to get home in time to take care of my kids, since my spouse's job has no flexibility in that regard.

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Post by dustinmoris »

coldtea wrote: post #290
corentin88 wrote: post #252

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I hope you’re right. My team have chosen Google Cloud. With every news like this one, the risk that Google will shutdown its cloud division seems more and more likely to happen.

> My team have chosen Google Cloud Why though? AWS, Azure etc all look much more competent and friendlier to customers, and without Google's history of killing services they don't care for anymore...

Azure is not competent or customer friendly at all. I've been using Azure on and off since its very first days and despite me telling every client that they're better off by using AWS or GCP because it will cause their dev teams less headache, and cost them overall a lot less in engineering cost (time spent by their engineers fighting with Azure instead of building a product) there's still every so often a non technical idiot who got sucked off by some Microsoft Partner manager and trapped in this shitshow of inconsistent, slow, buggy and constantly broken cloud services which Microsoft offers.

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Post by dewey »

coldtea wrote: post #290
corentin88 wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope you’re right. My team have chosen Google Cloud. With every news like this one, the risk that Google will shutdown its cloud division seems more and more likely to happen.

> My team have chosen Google Cloud Why though? AWS, Azure etc all look much more competent and friendlier to customers, and without Google's history of killing services they don't care for anymore...

> look much more competent and friendlier to customers

How exactly are you measuring "more competent"? Once you pay for support levels you also don't have the problem that Google is a black hole where you don't get any answers like if you are just a free user on Gmail, YouTube,...

It also depends on which services you use, if you are just running everything in Kubernetes and are not locked into proprietary services of any cloud provider it's not that hard to move between clouds. I find it a bit odd to make blanket statements about a company based on some consumer products or Google Reader being killed off years ago.

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Post by pyrophane »

coldtea wrote: post #290
corentin88 wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope you’re right. My team have chosen Google Cloud. With every news like this one, the risk that Google will shutdown its cloud division seems more and more likely to happen.

> My team have chosen Google Cloud Why though? AWS, Azure etc all look much more competent and friendlier to customers, and without Google's history of killing services they don't care for anymore...

My team has also chosen Google Cloud.

Here's two reasons: 1. They have I think the most mature manged kubernetes service. 2. They have a managed Airflow offering called Cloud Composer.

If you are just using the basics (VMs, managed SQL, storage), then it probably makes sense to pick primarily based on factors such as price and customer service.

Once you get into more complicated use cases like say big data, distributed systems, or ML, there are important differences between what the cloud providers are offering.

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