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Re: Apple engineer killed in Tesla crash had previously complained about autopilot

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Post by johnjungles »

brokenmachine wrote: post #897
johnjungles wrote: post #680

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Thank you for having actually tried it then having a real opinion about it. I have a Tesla, I usually use autopilot for highway traffic only, summon it like a valet to where I am in my parking lot, and not have to idle in hot and cold weather. I agree, I wouldn’t use it for local roads and unclear highways, but isn’t this what they tell you? I don’t think they ever tell you that it’s full self driving right now. Also…

>summon it like a valet to where I am in my parking lot It can drive by itself from where it's parked to where you are?

It sure can. I have a kid so putting him in the car next to another car in a parking garage is painful but with summon everyday it’s amazing

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Post by johnjungles »

brokenmachine wrote: post #896
johnjungles wrote: post #676

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My comment about controlled conditions was about making you feel comfortable and give yourself a safe to try it out to get an understanding of when it. It wasn’t to say to believe in self driving, I agree it’s a long way out. Understanding the technology is more important than dismissing it altogether is what I was simply trying to point out. I think you can at the least try it, understand it, then have an opinion ab…

I'm not OP, but even if a test drive went perfectly, I would remain worried about the chance of the car randomly killing me for some stupid edge case reason. Maybe not today, not tommorrow, but maybe six months in the future when the weather and road conditions happen to be just precisely right to confuse the system at just the most dangerous time. In the meantime I will just read/watch the stories of people more tru…

Again, going back to: see if for yourself. Experience it.

Then have an opinion, otherwise it’s like reading about NYC and saying you hate it because you read the reviews.

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Post by johnjungles »

joncrane wrote: post #804
johnjungles wrote: post #680

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Thank you for having actually tried it then having a real opinion about it. I have a Tesla, I usually use autopilot for highway traffic only, summon it like a valet to where I am in my parking lot, and not have to idle in hot and cold weather. I agree, I wouldn’t use it for local roads and unclear highways, but isn’t this what they tell you? I don’t think they ever tell you that it’s full self driving right now. Also…

>not have to idle in hot and cold weather. As a car and efficiency enthusiast, I totally try to keep my gasoline powered car from idling unnecessarily. But what does "idling" mean in the context of a 100% electric car?

You can have the car on with AC and/or Heaters without the engine on because there is no engine. In fact they have camper mode where you can camp out in the vehicle overnight with the ac on, and huge batteries allow you to do this without worries.

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Post by johnnyno83 »

fxtentacle wrote: post #187

I avoid new technology, exactly because I'm an engineer. I wonder if that is just me, but when new technology is introduced and hyped, I usually take a quick look at implementations, research, and talks just to get an idea of what the state of the art really is like. As a result, I have become the late adopter among my group of friends because the first iteration of any new technology usually just isn't worth the iss…

"I felt that way looking at state of the art AI vision papers" - which papars you looked at?

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Post by _proofs »

lovehashbrowns wrote: post #743
briandear wrote: post #736

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Computers don’t exercise judgment.

The point of AI is to have computers exercise some form of judgement. What is there to suggest that they can't do that?

Heuristics.

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Post by anon73044 »

MereInterest wrote: post #893
anon73044 wrote: post #696

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By that logic, a low slung sports car is the most pedestrian safe and Ferrari's should get a pedestrian safety rebate. I'll take one!

So long as there is sufficient space between the hood and the engine, which tends to be the main issue with very low cars. Sheet metal deforms as a pedestrian bounces off of the hood, increasing the interaction time and decreasing the instantaneous acceleration. This requires at least 10 cm between the bottom of the hood and the top of the engine. Less distance, and a pedestrian instead bounces off of the engine bloc…

I was hoping for something mid-engine!

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Post by mcv »

skgoa wrote: post #877
brandonmenc wrote: post #569

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> Let the car go fill itself up with gas at night while I am soundly asleep. I'm bearish on both self-driving and the universal adoption of electric cars, but everyone will be plugging their car in at home long before they can make one that drives itself to the gas station.

> everyone will be plugging their car in at home I realize that a lot of people here are privileged enough to own a single family home, but the majority of humanity lives in apartments and parks on the street. Trickle-charging at home is not a universal solution. The only practical solution seems to be some form of rapid charging of the car's energy storage. Either by pumping huge amounts of amps into a huge battery…

Slow charging still works fine overnight, even if you slow charge on the street, instead of on your own property. Of course it would be nice if every parking spot came with rapid charging, but it's not like that's the only solution.

At the moment, policy in Amsterdam is that if you own an electric car, you get a charging point in your street. I don't know how fast those are, but they don't have to be fast. They're still useful for overnight charging, especially if the city continues to add more when more people get electric cars. I don't understand the argument that this is not in any way a solution. It is.

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Post by perl4ever »

croon wrote: post #404
Stratoscope wrote: post #169

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When I was a kid - this was quite a few years ago - I had some older relatives who refused to wear a seat belt. Being somewhat of a brat, I asked them why. They answered like this: "If I get in a wreck, I don't want to be trapped in the car. I want to be thrown clear!"

This might be just me, but I don't think it's bratty to question truly idiotic behavior.

I think it's obnoxious to call people "truly idiotic" if you would not apply the phrase to everyone who takes "unnecessary" risks. I am conditioned from childhood to wear a seatbelt in a car, but I also have owned a motorcycle in the past, and currently own a pre-airbag car (which I assume also lacks more subtle features like modern crumple zones and high strength steel, etc.). What makes one risk reasonable and another not?

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Post by fsh »

Leherenn wrote: post #765
fsh wrote: post #245

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The difference is that electronic voting is a bad idea in principle, regardless of the implementation. Fully self-driving cars might actually be possible, but probably not with current software and hardware.

Do you mind explaining why it is a bad idea in principle? It feels like if we have a decent implementation (a big ask, to be sure), it would be safer and more convenient than the actual way.

Voting systems have a number of key requirements. To prevent bribes or coercion, the vote has to be anonymous and the voter must not be able to prove his vote. On the other hand, it must be possible to verify that each cast vote has been counted correctly. Finally, the whole process should be transparent and understandable for every interested voter.

These requirements can be easily fulfilled with a well designed paper ballot system. I don't see any chance of doing the same with anything computerized.

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Post by dragonwriter »

fsh wrote: post #909
Leherenn wrote: post #765

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Do you mind explaining why it is a bad idea in principle? It feels like if we have a decent implementation (a big ask, to be sure), it would be safer and more convenient than the actual way.

Voting systems have a number of key requirements. To prevent bribes or coercion, the vote has to be anonymous and the voter must not be able to prove his vote. On the other hand, it must be possible to verify that each cast vote has been counted correctly. Finally, the whole process should be transparent and understandable for every interested voter. These requirements can be easily fulfilled with a well designed pap…

> To prevent bribes or coercion, the vote has to be anonymous and the voter must not be able to prove his vote.

But we don't apply this rule to the votes where bribery and coercion are most practical to start with, where there are a small number of voters that can be intensely targeted, and swinging a small number is sufficient to decide major outcomes.

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