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Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth (Part 2)

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Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth (Part 2)

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Am I the only person that doesn't have any significant issues with Catalina? I'll admit, some of the permissions-related pop-ups are a bit annoying, but overall it's been a rather stable macOS version for me (developer, working mostly in Xcode and JetBrains IDEs).

I've had no real bugs over the 3 Macs I regularly use. Some security-related inconveniences, but I think those are overall worth it.

Oh there is one 32 bit app that I lost. It wasn't important.

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth (Part 2)

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Am I the only person that doesn't have any significant issues with Catalina? I'll admit, some of the permissions-related pop-ups are a bit annoying, but overall it's been a rather stable macOS version for me (developer, working mostly in Xcode and JetBrains IDEs).

Not sure what the issue is either, once you add the necessary permissions for your apps, it doesn't ask again. Only complaint is Apple seem to ignore long-standing bugs that have been there for years, like monitors switching around every time you dock your MacBook. They should make a Snow Leopard-like release and clean out their bug tracker.

> They should make a Snow Leopard-like release and clean out their bug tracker.

We actually had a Snow Leopard-like release just two years ago: High Sierra. It had some new features—as did Snow Leopard—but not many. (Lest we forget, Snow Leopard introduced Dock Exposé and Exchange support, just to name two.)

And High Sierra is hands-down the best version of macOS since Mavericks. But afterwards, things regressed pretty quickly.

The real problem here is the annual release cycle. The entire concept of a transitional release is misguided. If it's transitional, keep it internal to Apple until it's ready, and let Mojave live out another year in the meantime.

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth (Part 2)

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I never been an Apple fan. When iPhone launched I was skeptical, and didn't wanted one, and so on... I often argued with apple fans, and one thing that was clear to me, is that people that tried apple products around 2008 or so often would just love it, and many would become apple fans too. I used my first Mac around that time, and although I found some stuff just silly (mouse with only one button...) I overall liked…

I've tried very hard to understand what benefits a MacBook has over Windows/Linux.

I've boiled it down to- it can compile iOS apps, and you can use Unix commands. The first is Apple intentionally being anti competitive, the later is a genuine benefit that I nearly am unaffected by being a Windows/Linux user.

However the strangest thing came up in my research, the number of SWE that said they liked the way it looks. It's shinny.

I genuinely don't know what to think about Apple users decision making.

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth (Part 2)

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Also worth reading John Gruber's complaints, over and above bugs: > But I don’t know a single expert Mac user who is not seriously annoyed by the heavy-handed security design of Catalina. Not one. Every single expert user I know is annoyed. That is a bad place for MacOS to be. MacOS 10.16 needs a serious course correction to fix this, and if 10.16 goes the opposite way — growing even more heavy-handed in restricting…

I'm kind of OK with "macOS Vista." I've wanted more restrictive and granular permissions for a long time. Web browsers don't need unrestricted access to the entire file system. Neither do games. Preview doesn't need to access the microphone. Word doesn't usually need to record the screen. PowerPoint should not be sending email or accessing the camera. TextEdit doesn't need access to my contacts or calendar. And I don…

People cite the browser a lot and I think it is the most important case because it runs untrusted javascript. So an exploitable browser bug maybe shouldn't have all these permissions without asking. OTOH the browser should apply such mitigations voluntarily.

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth (Part 2)

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I have a new macbook pro 16 inch so I'm forced to use Catalina for it. Up until 10.15.2, it was extremely buggy with applications like the Terminal crashing and then refusing to start again if you force quit them. I had to restart the computer once a day about... With 10.15.3, it's a bit better but I still see the spinning spinning wheel of death way more than I used to, and my computer completely crashed once with t…

Some issues I noticed on my previous 2015 MBP 15" (still on Mojave) also popped up on my brand new 2019 MBP 16", like the UI completely halting doing mundane stuff like opening a new tab or something. I always thought it was software rot after 5 years of use and a fresh install would fix everything.

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth (Part 2)

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It's been a long time since a MacOS upgrade was "worth it", from an end-user perspective. They're much more liked Windows Service Packs these days. This used to be way different, every new OS X release was much more celebrated and often brought features that were really appreciated by the users. Sure, part of that was just easier in the beginning: 10.0 started out with a lot of issues, and just getting rid of most of…

And from the developer point of view, notarisation is a colossal headache. It might be OK if you're shipping a single app, but we have a vast hybrid thing that includes Mono, a JDK, and some Python native libraries. All of which have to be signed themselves.

I did a Xamarin app that had some kind of custom USB driver built in. That hell just got one level deeper?

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth (Part 2)

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Am I the only person that doesn't have any significant issues with Catalina? I'll admit, some of the permissions-related pop-ups are a bit annoying, but overall it's been a rather stable macOS version for me (developer, working mostly in Xcode and JetBrains IDEs).

There are tens of millions of people running Catalina. Most of us aren't complaining, because it works fine.

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth (Part 2)

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Am I the only person that doesn't have any significant issues with Catalina? I'll admit, some of the permissions-related pop-ups are a bit annoying, but overall it's been a rather stable macOS version for me (developer, working mostly in Xcode and JetBrains IDEs).

It’s been just peachy for me across multiple machines, varying from MacBooks to iMac to a hackintosh tower. Similar usage here — mostly development tools and a couple of games. I make a point of avoiding dependence on very old software (or software made by companies that can’t be arsed to tick the 64-bit box on their compiler) so losing 32-bit didn’t really impact me.

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth (Part 2)

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I never been an Apple fan. When iPhone launched I was skeptical, and didn't wanted one, and so on... I often argued with apple fans, and one thing that was clear to me, is that people that tried apple products around 2008 or so often would just love it, and many would become apple fans too. I used my first Mac around that time, and although I found some stuff just silly (mouse with only one button...) I overall liked…

Your relationship with both your sister and Apple users seems to mainly consist of condescension. For your sister, there's some added dependency: of course she's eventually gonna fold if she wants you to do tech support and you more or less make it a requirement that you get to make her decisions forthwith. FWIW the stereotype of Apple targeting "beginners" who are after "fashion items" is ridiculous. There are milli…

I never said that.

I am a Designer and I have an animation degree, there are lots of Macs in the field, and they are not for "professionals", but for actual professionals, the computers I mentioned I used were MacPros that were actually rather interesting machines, and it was sad when Apple decided to stop making them (now they are making them again but with ludicrous prices).

What I DID mean, is that my sister is prone to being a "fan" of a company, instead of choosing only for the product quality, and this was a factor in choosing Apple's stuff, and more importantly, a factor in her being defensive about the company.

What I mean is: Apple attracts certain types of people, including some that become fans, but they are not stupid, if products are bad they start to hate the company instead, and Apple is attracting their hate right now with crappy products.

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