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They stole IP from western companies so they could reach the bleeding edge and then spent billions on R&D research to get ahead. Without the decades of IP theft, the R&D achievements never happen. No western company should trust their 5G equipment.
US citizens don't trust their own companies equipments. Now you are trying to convince rest of the world that Huawei's equipment shouldn't be trusted.
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This is a misleading narrative in the context of the charges against Huawei. To somehow equate the direct theft of IP and innovation as just 'shared culture and knowledge' completely avoids the material criminality at hand. Huawei is charged with literally incentivizing their employees to steal knowledge and IP, and of directly copying designs, on a systematic and widespread scale. These activities are instituted far…
The concept of IP is a relatively recent invention, created by legislatures to prop up specific industries hurt by copying of data, and, as is being demonstrated, not everyone agrees that it should be treated the same as existing systems of physical property. You wouldn’t download a car. But I would. I don’t think it’s possible to steal information.
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> IP which is in peoples mind I think a general term for acquiring that IP is called employment.
when you target crowd from 2 specific companies and offer 2x market value salaries it is more aggressive than just "employment".
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I think the stealing instead of R&D thing is somewhat misled. These guys are definitely spending billions on research as well. I get the concern, and fines and punishment is all fine. But I think they might also have got caught in the geopolitical crossfire. It's a messy world; Samsung and Apple are stealing eachother's billions everyday, Google and Facebook are spying on us, DOD is killing people. I don't know who i…
They stole IP from western companies so they could reach the bleeding edge and then spent billions on R&D research to get ahead. Without the decades of IP theft, the R&D achievements never happen. No western company should trust their 5G equipment.
Is an excellent argument for more technological sharing (as is/was customary in china), and less IP ownership.
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Then use the car industry as an example: the American car manufacturers' internal combustion engines looks identical to those of the the Germans. To quote you: "who figured out how to build them first."
In the Toyota factory museum in Japan they aren’t exactly ashamed of the fact that they bought, disassembled, and reverse engineered a Chrysler for their first few cars.
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This is not true and implies a misunderstanding of the industry. AT&T, like most carriers, is perfectly happy to get super cheap and gear from China, at a fraction of the price they'd pay otherwise. In fact, carriers around the world are the one's pushing to use Huawei. Second - the US doesn't really have any capabilities in the 5G space, for the most part. It's European companies: Erikson and Nokia that have capabil…
> real underlying issue, which is that Huawei and others have been systematically and openly stealing property. Issue for whom? Most people are perfectly happy with one company learning and mimicking products of another company, if they get cheaper and better versions. This is perfectly natural. If some rich guys feel like China got ahead of them too much too quickly, that's too bad - they should have protected their…
The number of people here trying to downplay what's going on is astonishing, I can only imagine they themselves are not legit posters.
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This is a misleading narrative in the context of the charges against Huawei. To somehow equate the direct theft of IP and innovation as just 'shared culture and knowledge' completely avoids the material criminality at hand. Huawei is charged with literally incentivizing their employees to steal knowledge and IP, and of directly copying designs, on a systematic and widespread scale. These activities are instituted far…
The concept of IP is a relatively recent invention, created by legislatures to prop up specific industries hurt by copying of data, and, as is being demonstrated, not everyone agrees that it should be treated the same as existing systems of physical property. You wouldn’t download a car. But I would. I don’t think it’s possible to steal information.