Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Apple store workers should be paid for time waiting to be searched, court rules

latimes.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

311–320 of 359 posts

Re: Apple store workers should be paid for time waiting to be searched, court rules

#311

Post by AndyMcConachie »

8ytecoder wrote: post #81

As a thought experiment, what if companies are made to pay for commute time? How would that change the labour market? Would they hire local? Provide better transportation? Work with cities to reduce congestion? Encourage more remote work? Decide it's too expensive to hire workers and cut hours? Work towards more inclusive housing?

Most Dutch companies pay your way for the commute. They won't pay you for the time it takes to commute, but they'll pay your train fare, or give you a lease car and pay your gas money.

Re: Apple store workers should be paid for time waiting to be searched, court rules

#312

Post by codeisawesome »

freepor wrote: post #254
WalterBright wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most crimes have a pretty poor return on investment. That's why criminals tend to be poor. For example, the people around criminals tend to know they are criminals (and criminals often brag about begin criminals). People don't trust criminals and don't want to do business with them - leaving the criminal with fewer legitimate options for making money.

Criminals tend to be poor because the types of things defined as crimes have poor risk reward profiles and only make sense if you’re poor. Fraudulently advertising OxyContin and causing a drug epidemic that kills half a million people doesn’t make you a criminal, it makes you a philanthropist — you have to pistol-whip a clerk at a liquor store to become a criminal.

Jesus, my guy. I “blame” commenters like yourself on HN for my exceptionally pessimistic and skeptical outlook on life and systems (and society)... but goddamn you have a point.

(PS: sorry about using “Jesus” and “guy” - it’s meant purely as an idiom - I’m not making assumptions)

Re: Apple store workers should be paid for time waiting to be searched, court rules

#313

Post by m000 »

antris wrote: post #288
im3w1l wrote: post #285

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Watches are basically obsolete today. I expect them to gradually drop in value over the next 50 years as older generations die off. Especially mid-tier ones. Top of the top will maintain value because of demand from eccentrics and low-tier ones don't have much value in the first place.

Watches definitely aren't obsolete. Just go look how many people on the street are wearing watches. Well-made watches from known brands with a heritage keep their prices very well, even during economically difficult times. If you look at a mid-level luxury brand such as Rolex, you can invest $8000 for a watch that has a great track record in keeping its value: https://imgur.com/0XeTVg5 And that's not even a top-level…

> Just go look how many people on the street are wearing watches.

Uhhhmmm... Not many? And those who wear, it's either an apple watch or some cheap utilitarian model.

> I'd love to have access to great watches for a lower price.

Expensive watches require regular service to retain their value. Let's see how it will work when Rolex asks you for $1000 a piece for your briefcase full of watches.

I can see many owners of inherited watches being unwilling to pay up for servicing their watch. Which will prompt many of them to sell it, thus creating an increase in supply. At the same time demand for Rolex-type watches will be dropping, or at best remain stable. Thus, these watches will lose value.

Re: Apple store workers should be paid for time waiting to be searched, court rules

#314

Post by tonyedgecombe »

abyssin wrote: post #297
8ytecoder wrote: post #81

As a thought experiment, what if companies are made to pay for commute time? How would that change the labour market? Would they hire local? Provide better transportation? Work with cities to reduce congestion? Encourage more remote work? Decide it's too expensive to hire workers and cut hours? Work towards more inclusive housing?

Then you have Belgium, where many workers get a company car with a fuel card. It means they waste only time on their commute, and the other costs are supported by the employer. You get urban sprawl, health issues because these drivers spend time stressed and stationary. It's insane and creates mobility issues. And it's hard to revert, it might mean political suicide for the ones in charge who finally fix the broken s…

It used to be quite common in the UK then the government changed the tax system to discourage it. There were a few grumbles but it didn't seem to cause the government that many problems.

Re: Apple store workers should be paid for time waiting to be searched, court rules

#315

Post by antris »

m000 wrote: post #313
antris wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Watches definitely aren't obsolete. Just go look how many people on the street are wearing watches. Well-made watches from known brands with a heritage keep their prices very well, even during economically difficult times. If you look at a mid-level luxury brand such as Rolex, you can invest $8000 for a watch that has a great track record in keeping its value: https://imgur.com/0XeTVg5 And that's not even a top-level…

> Just go look how many people on the street are wearing watches. Uhhhmmm... Not many? And those who wear, it's either an apple watch or some cheap utilitarian model. > I'd love to have access to great watches for a lower price. Expensive watches require regular service to retain their value. Let's see how it will work when Rolex asks you for $1000 a piece for your briefcase full of watches. I can see many owners of…

Well, if you find a genuine Rolex at a rock-bottom price that needs servicing, make sure to let watch enthusiasts know, you'll make an easy buck flipping it.

Me? I've yet to find those deals.

> Uhhhmmm... Not many? And those who wear, it's either an apple watch or some cheap utilitarian model.

Are those not watches? You said watches are obsolete, and now you're discounting a big part of them. Apple watches, utilitarian watches are watches. Some people like them, others don't. I would never want an Apple watch, but I love my Swatch. No data tracked anywhere, no need to recharge, and looks and feels much nicer than an Apple watch for a fraction of the cost.

Re: Apple store workers should be paid for time waiting to be searched, court rules

#316

Post by baud147258 »

globuous wrote: post #299
outadoc wrote: post #294

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In France this problem is solved by the company compensating for 50% of the commute. Turns out not many people are "happy" about a 3-hour daily commute.

I believe that's only if you use public transport through the Pass Navigo. I'm not sure individual tickets are reimbursed, and I'm pretty sure gas isn't either. But getting 50% off of your Navigo, which is a monthly pass allowing you unlimited use of Paris and greater Paris public transports. Which is about 75 euros. So when your are subsidised by your company with respect to public transport, you have unlimited acce…

you can get individual tickets reimbursed too, my mom is working part-time around Paris and she keeps her used tickets as a proof of payement.

When I was working as a consultant at Alten, in theory my gas could have been reimbursed (based on distance travelled and car horsepower), but I never tried since I used public transport during all my time there.

Re: Apple store workers should be paid for time waiting to be searched, court rules

#317

Post by konceptz »

garmaine wrote: post #263
labster wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

American money doesn’t degrade into microplastics which pollute our oceans, but is made of artisanal paper made by only a few fine craftsmen.

Cotton. Artisanal cotton/linen hybrid.

Direct loom to table.

Re: Apple store workers should be paid for time waiting to be searched, court rules

#318

Post by analog31 »

rezgi wrote: post #281
analog31 wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had a similar thought, about providing free wi-fi and letting people like lawyers and programmers bill the hours that they work while riding on public transit. This would create more demand. I got this idea from dealing with my patent lawyer. It seemed like 90% of the time when I got him on the phone, he was sitting in bumper-to-bumper traffic. He could have been billing that time for all I know. My other weird ide…

Not every transport mode has two classes. Only intercity trains do, but buses and subways don't.

Indeed, but imagine if they did. Would the American professional class embrace buses if there were two classes? The aversion to buses is partly social.

Re: Apple store workers should be paid for time waiting to be searched, court rules

#319

Post by mdszy »

megablast wrote: post #131
8ytecoder wrote: post #81

As a thought experiment, what if companies are made to pay for commute time? How would that change the labour market? Would they hire local? Provide better transportation? Work with cities to reduce congestion? Encourage more remote work? Decide it's too expensive to hire workers and cut hours? Work towards more inclusive housing?

That is way unfair to the company, when you will have certain people who are 'happy' to travel 1.5 hours each way. This seems insane to me, but there are plenty of people who do this and see no issue at all. How would a company hire local anyway, by rejecting candidates who live to far away? What if they promise to move, but don't end up doing it? > Work with cities to reduce congestion? The only real working way to…

>That is way unfair to the company

oh no, the poor poor companies ;((((((

Re: Apple store workers should be paid for time waiting to be searched, court rules

#320

Post by lotsofpulp »

throwaway2048 wrote: post #169
lotsofpulp wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My point is it’s funny to see people call out others’ abuse of employees when the same people, the vast majority of the time, support the abusers by choosing to support their business. The proper response needs to be political support for laws to protect all labor with harsh penalties, not waiting for certain groups to sue in court.

lets say hypothetically, nearly every farm worker was horribly abused. Would people be hypocrites that shouldn't dare call out that injustice because they need to eat? Acting like participation in a system is some kind of grave strike against protesting terrible aspects of the system is less than helpful, both logically and rhetorically. It is pretty much the definition of tu quoque and a really lazy defence of the s…

>Acting like participation in a system is some kind of grave strike against protesting terrible aspects of the system is less than helpful, both logically and rhetorically.

It is that participation that make it impossible for non abusive employers to compete and exist as a business. I know that there is no option in certain businesses, but even the ones where there is an option, it's obvious how price sensitive people are. Everyone decries abuse of employees, but, as reality shows, basically everyone will opt to save money and reward the businesses that import goods from places known to abuse employees. So what good is complaining about the abuse of a specific employer of its employees?

We like our cheap goods and services, that's why we don't have the political will to change the laws.

Post reply on HN