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Apple store workers should be paid for time waiting to be searched, court rules

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Re: Apple store workers should be paid for time waiting to be searched, court rules

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Labour's share of GDP has been reasonably stable over the centuries.

Yes, that’s the problem.

I don't understand.

The labour share has been roughly at 60% +/- 10% for ages.

Even getting 100% will be at most a doubling of labour's income. That's nifty, comparable to moving from Mississippi to Connecticut. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_GDP_per...)

But it's one-off. The difference between countries are bigger. And so are the difference over time.

And of course, jumping to 100% while keeping total GDP per capita constant is not really possible.

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You'd be surprised how unsophisticated it actually is for the rich. I have a friend who has this taxi driver guy go buy everything she needs out on the town and deliver it to her. Yes, a yellow cab driver. Groceries, clothing, a new laptop, whatever. He brings it and she pays him well.

That’s pretty wild. I wonder how those relationships develop and how sticky they are. C’mon, someone go halfsies with me on a Trunk Club spin on postmates et al

In her case, he took her to the airport once and she liked him, so she started always using him for rides there. Then she started having him run little errands for her and it just expanded from there. This is what taskrabbit looked like for the wealthy in 1992.

Re: Apple store workers should be paid for time waiting to be searched, court rules

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Good. If the company makes you do something, it’s work.

I only wish this would carry to non-California locations and to the service industry in general - when I worked as a waiter in a Rocky Mountain West state, after ending a shift we were not allowed to leave the premises until rolling exactly 100 sets of silverware. If no silverware was available, we would also have to run them through the dishwasher 2-3 times. We additionally had to perform two other "closing" tasks (e.g. restocking a particular mini-fridge, wiping down floor). This is pretty standard in the restaurant industry - the only problem is that in this state, servers are paid $2.15/hour, with the assumption that they'll make the rest up to minimum wage by serving tables.

Anyway, some nights it would take me 1.5-2 hours to leave (not atypical), and I would get a whopping $4 of pay for that time.

Re: Apple store workers should be paid for time waiting to be searched, court rules

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You'd be surprised how unsophisticated it actually is for the rich. I have a friend who has this taxi driver guy go buy everything she needs out on the town and deliver it to her. Yes, a yellow cab driver. Groceries, clothing, a new laptop, whatever. He brings it and she pays him well.

That’s pretty wild. I wonder how those relationships develop and how sticky they are. C’mon, someone go halfsies with me on a Trunk Club spin on postmates et al

Friend of mine makes hourly what many people earn in a week ($1k hourly billable), so while they lived in LA it made sense to have someone drive them from the airport back home because what should take ~20 minutes at most usually took 2 hours.

During those two hours they could work, and thus make money, it didn't make sense to drive themselves.

Their company hired a particular car hire service and the drivers would get rotated through a schedule, but they ended up having a particularly good relationship with a particular driver.

So they dropped the contract with the company, and basically just paid the one driver himself, basically a personal chauffeur, but with a schedule that is known two weeks ahead of time, with some emergencies, but not 24/7.

Eventually this allowed said driver to buy a couple of cars, and start a company himself, while always making sure to take care of my family member first and foremost himself.

They trusted the driver with their children, and for certain purchases the driver would either go pick up items (such as jewelry/high end clothes) or their driver would drive a consultant (personal shopper) to go do the shopping/pickups.

My friend moved away from the LA area, but used the same driver for ~6 years or so, the driver now runs a high-end private car hire service that offers services to cater specifically to people that need services like that. No advertising, word of mouth only, and everyone involved is highly vetted and trusted.

It's pretty amazing how much time you get back when you can pay someone else to do the things that take time but don't really provide happiness in life. Such as cleaning/driving/cooking/household chores that the rest of us have to do ourselves, and thus is all billable time.

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Does Apple really have a “process” for picking items up? I ordered a maxed out iMac Pro for around $15,000 and waited nearly a month for it to finally arrive at the store. I got a voice mail and an email instructing me to come pick it up. Only upon driving all the way to the store was I finally informed in person that they “accidentally” gave my iMac Pro to the wrong customer an hour ago who had merely ordered a base…

I know Marco Arment has talked about some kind of Apple representative who you can order through when you’re the kind of customer who is spending bank there. Maybe something to look into, I didn’t get the impression that it was the same thing as Apple business but this was years ago I heard, maybe things change. I feel like if you ask Apple may have some experience with dealing with security around the walking with a…

It’s the Apple Store business team and you absolutely should buy through them, especially for custom hardware because the discounts are significant for those items (not so much for iPhones and other consumer base models)

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Does Apple really have a “process” for picking items up? I ordered a maxed out iMac Pro for around $15,000 and waited nearly a month for it to finally arrive at the store. I got a voice mail and an email instructing me to come pick it up. Only upon driving all the way to the store was I finally informed in person that they “accidentally” gave my iMac Pro to the wrong customer an hour ago who had merely ordered a base…

Out of curiosity, why would you go with a top-end Mac Pro instead of a server at that price point?

What server? The closest thing Apple sells is the rack mount mac pro. (I'm assuming it needs to run Mac OS for application compatibility)

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Or perhaps an incompetent employee really just gave it to the wrong customer? Maybe they were tired and distracted after a long day at their insufferable retail job? Maybe someone forgot to put your identifying sticker on the box? Seems unlikely that hussle pulled on you would work more than once, ever.

I've worked at jobs where this same exact scam was done for three orders of magnitude less profit, this seems totally reasonable.

and i've worked at computer big box stores and incompetent staff just fucked up accidentally. not saying either way here but it's certainly within the realm of possibility that it's a messup.

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>Would you be unhappy if someone stole money from your bank account? If I'm the one being stolen, of course but not if I'm the one who stole (again provided I will not be in trouble). Provided they won't get in trouble, how is it not a clever business practice?

Is there anything you consider going too far at all? Murdering people to harvest organs?

>Is there anything you consider going too far at all

Yes, when the risk/cost outweigh the benefit.

>Murdering people to harvest organs?

Same thing, if benefit outweigh the cost then yes it will be done. Thats why murder is illegal, carry a severe punishment.

Re: Apple store workers should be paid for time waiting to be searched, court rules

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>Would you be unhappy if someone stole money from your bank account? If I'm the one being stolen, of course but not if I'm the one who stole (again provided I will not be in trouble). Provided they won't get in trouble, how is it not a clever business practice?

Because we have obligations to each other because we live in a society? Because it's fucking wrong to do it ?

Not everyone is agree with that. If everyone did that we wouldn't need police.

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And simply not hire anybody who needs medication or pre-menopausal women?

Issue a clear company branded bag. This is actually a somewhat common practice in certain US schools for safety reasons.

Continuing the dystopian theme, I see.
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