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> Never heard of the OS mentioned I hope for your sake that this admission won’t cause you to be brutally downvoted too. Here’s a pre-emptive +1 ;)
Downvoted because I dared to point out that I had been downvoted elsewhere. What is wrong with the denizens here nowadays??
I had to look up ‘SmartOS’ and ‘OmniOS’ because I had no idea what they are. NOTE: This isn’t meant as an insult; it’s just that often people use terms as if they were universally known. He had hyperlinks to some of the more obscure items on the list but not the key items.
I’m surprised. They were massive names in the OS scene until recently. Their lineage can be traced back to Solaris and share many of the cool technologies that Sun developers pioneered. So much so that for the first few years of SmartOS, Linux felt like a hobbyist platform in comparison due to its lack of dtrace, containerisations, ZFS, etc. Linux has come a long way since, which is a large part of the reason why Sma…
Unfortunately, when it comes to hardware support, only the most popular OSes actually thrive :(
I had to look up ‘SmartOS’ and ‘OmniOS’ because I had no idea what they are. NOTE: This isn’t meant as an insult; it’s just that often people use terms as if they were universally known. He had hyperlinks to some of the more obscure items on the list but not the key items.
Since the kernel and coreutils are GPL there aren't any sue-happy lawyers waiting to pounce upon CEOs saying "We use Linux", the broad family of Linux kernel based OSes (Debian, RHEL, Ubuntu, etc.) have generally gained the marketing term Linux.
I feel that Solaris missed out on this in a shockingly bad manner. Perhaps ex-Sun/Joyent folks can correct me if they feel I'm wrong, but it seems that the Solaris "family" of operating systems has always been way harder to understand than Linux-based, mostly open-source systems. Do I want illumos, OpenSolaris, or OpenIndiana? Or do I actually want Oracle Solaris? Which is the one that Oracle will not try to sue me for?
So here is a broader lesson for people trying to open source their OS, if there is ever a grand project like Solaris. Make it all open source at once, and use a copyleft license like the GPL. Otherwise you risk this kind of breakdown where there are N different operating systems that are vaguely related to and worked on by the same people, but you can't name them in a coherent manner or rely upon broad similarities.
He wasn't exaggerating, that is an epic, beautiful, I would even say humbling block comment to read. It's completely outside of my regular knowledge domain but that is not at all required to appreciate it.
[0] https://github.com/joyent/illumos-joyent/blob/dff0473c792fc5...
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> Never heard of the OS mentioned I hope for your sake that this admission won’t cause you to be brutally downvoted too. Here’s a pre-emptive +1 ;)
Downvoted because I dared to point out that I had been downvoted elsewhere. What is wrong with the denizens here nowadays??
It’s kind of risky to have programmers who feel so passionately opinionated about the software that should power a business. It’s doubly tricky, because most companies pay lip service to passion. But like a chef that cares a bit too much about which cookware you use, it sometimes hinders the goal of serving 100 customers at noon. I respect that they’ve created their entire networking stack from the ground up. Few can…
> The tradeoff is that if you use unpopular software, like lisp, you can often gain more leverage in specific situations. HN’s software is the most flexible codebase I’ve ever seen, but few have ever studied it deeply. Viaweb used those principles to dominate the competition at a time when everybody was writing websites in C. But are those days gone? In Paul Graham's days, Lisp was not as unpopular as it is today. It…
Seriously, the AutoCAD community has some of the brightest (or, at least, most clever) developers I've ever met.
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> What a joy to work with Bryan et al. Presumably not for Ben Noordhuis: https://www.joyent.com/blog/the-power-of-a-pronoun That blog post is why I resolved never to do business with Bryan Cantrill or Joyent. I don't know if it influenced others to do likewise, but I can't imagine that it actually helped the company succeed.
But the entire point of the post you linked is that they don't work together.
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Downvoted because I dared to point out that I had been downvoted elsewhere. What is wrong with the denizens here nowadays??
> Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
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I’m surprised. They were massive names in the OS scene until recently. Their lineage can be traced back to Solaris and share many of the cool technologies that Sun developers pioneered. So much so that for the first few years of SmartOS, Linux felt like a hobbyist platform in comparison due to its lack of dtrace, containerisations, ZFS, etc. Linux has come a long way since, which is a large part of the reason why Sma…
The downvotes might be for the slightly bombastic tone. SmartOs and IllumOS never felt “massive” to me, particularly compared to Linux. They might have had some nice tooling inherited from Solaris, but they were never particularly appealing for people who were not invested in the Solaris ecosystem - which had already been effectively wiped out by Linux by the time IllumOS and SmartOs appeared.
Interesting that he throws MongoDB under the bus. I’ve heard a lot of negativity about them lately.