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Re: Goodbye Joyent

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Post by RantyDave »

tedunangst wrote: post #12
sillysaurusx wrote: post #5

It’s kind of risky to have programmers who feel so passionately opinionated about the software that should power a business. It’s doubly tricky, because most companies pay lip service to passion. But like a chef that cares a bit too much about which cookware you use, it sometimes hinders the goal of serving 100 customers at noon. I respect that they’ve created their entire networking stack from the ground up. Few can…

How many of Joyent's struggles relate to having their own network stack?

None. I think. Not being Linux is a bigger problem.

Re: Goodbye Joyent

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Post by qubex »

qubex wrote: post #23
anon102010 wrote: post #15

The mongoDB comment rings true at least from the past Never heard of the OS mentioned

> Never heard of the OS mentioned I hope for your sake that this admission won’t cause you to be brutally downvoted too. Here’s a pre-emptive +1 ;)

Downvoted because I dared to point out that I had been downvoted elsewhere.

What is wrong with the denizens here nowadays??

Re: Goodbye Joyent

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Post by toyg »

pushpop wrote: post #28
qubex wrote: post #9

I had to look up ‘SmartOS’ and ‘OmniOS’ because I had no idea what they are. NOTE: This isn’t meant as an insult; it’s just that often people use terms as if they were universally known. He had hyperlinks to some of the more obscure items on the list but not the key items.

I’m surprised. They were massive names in the OS scene until recently. Their lineage can be traced back to Solaris and share many of the cool technologies that Sun developers pioneered. So much so that for the first few years of SmartOS, Linux felt like a hobbyist platform in comparison due to its lack of dtrace, containerisations, ZFS, etc. Linux has come a long way since, which is a large part of the reason why Sma…

The downvotes might be for the slightly bombastic tone. SmartOs and IllumOS never felt “massive” to me, particularly compared to Linux. They might have had some nice tooling inherited from Solaris, but they were never particularly appealing for people who were not invested in the Solaris ecosystem - which had already been effectively wiped out by Linux by the time IllumOS and SmartOs appeared.

Re: Goodbye Joyent

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Post by zeveb »

tgtweak wrote: post #3

What a joy to work with Bryan et al. Probably the best paid education you could imagine. Is Samsung doing nothing with joyent? Seems they could and should be competing heavily in the server space if not the public cloud itself more meaningfully than they seem to be today.

> What a joy to work with Bryan et al.

Presumably not for Ben Noordhuis: https://www.joyent.com/blog/the-power-of-a-pronoun

That blog post is why I resolved never to do business with Bryan Cantrill or Joyent. I don't know if it influenced others to do likewise, but I can't imagine that it actually helped the company succeed.

Re: Goodbye Joyent

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Post by pjmlp »

pushpop wrote: post #28
qubex wrote: post #9

I had to look up ‘SmartOS’ and ‘OmniOS’ because I had no idea what they are. NOTE: This isn’t meant as an insult; it’s just that often people use terms as if they were universally known. He had hyperlinks to some of the more obscure items on the list but not the key items.

I’m surprised. They were massive names in the OS scene until recently. Their lineage can be traced back to Solaris and share many of the cool technologies that Sun developers pioneered. So much so that for the first few years of SmartOS, Linux felt like a hobbyist platform in comparison due to its lack of dtrace, containerisations, ZFS, etc. Linux has come a long way since, which is a large part of the reason why Sma…

For what it is worth, other FOSS OSes are getting the IoT space, not GNU/Linux.

Namely RTOS, Zephyr, NuttX, mbed, and Arduino compatible bare metal implementations.

Common to all of them? None of them is GPL licensed.

Re: Goodbye Joyent

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Post by piercebot »

pushpop wrote: post #28
qubex wrote: post #9

I had to look up ‘SmartOS’ and ‘OmniOS’ because I had no idea what they are. NOTE: This isn’t meant as an insult; it’s just that often people use terms as if they were universally known. He had hyperlinks to some of the more obscure items on the list but not the key items.

I’m surprised. They were massive names in the OS scene until recently. Their lineage can be traced back to Solaris and share many of the cool technologies that Sun developers pioneered. So much so that for the first few years of SmartOS, Linux felt like a hobbyist platform in comparison due to its lack of dtrace, containerisations, ZFS, etc. Linux has come a long way since, which is a large part of the reason why Sma…

Your comment reminds me a bit of the relationship between Clojure and JavaScript.

Back in 2014, Clojure-based web development had all kinds of groundbreaking ideas that massively improved quality of life: immutable data structures, hot code reloading (figwheel), decoupling of state and view (devcards), with all the benefits that come with functional programming.

The JavaScript ecosystem has since closed the gap and has a lot of great libraries or tools that do these things, and it's just _so popular_ that it's hard to make the business case for Clojure(Script).

Personally, I still think Clojure has a lot of really smart people contributing to it. It's exciting to see tools like libpython-clj enable Carin Meier's work around leveraging bleeding-edge Python Machine Learning libraries in Clojure, and something in my gut tells me that Rich and Co. are on the right track with spec while the JS community pursues TypeScript instead.

It's true that every project needs a community if it's going to survive, and because the internet makes it so easy to share ideas, being the birthplace of good ideas is not enough to ensure your survival.

I'll be interested to see what the landscape looks like in another half a decade!

Re: Goodbye Joyent

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Post by user5994461 »

patkai wrote: post #26

It is the sign of terrible incompetence to downsize people like him. If you ever get hold of people with this much competence then find a clever project for them, or create a new subsidiary.

The company is doing poorly and it's a miracle it's not closed yet. Better not judge a dying company for laying off (all) its staff.

Re: Goodbye Joyent

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Post by Eldt »

qubex wrote: post #9

I had to look up ‘SmartOS’ and ‘OmniOS’ because I had no idea what they are. NOTE: This isn’t meant as an insult; it’s just that often people use terms as if they were universally known. He had hyperlinks to some of the more obscure items on the list but not the key items.

At a certain point you just need to Google things for yourself

Re: Goodbye Joyent

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Post by appleflaxen »

zeveb wrote: post #45
tgtweak wrote: post #3

What a joy to work with Bryan et al. Probably the best paid education you could imagine. Is Samsung doing nothing with joyent? Seems they could and should be competing heavily in the server space if not the public cloud itself more meaningfully than they seem to be today.

> What a joy to work with Bryan et al. Presumably not for Ben Noordhuis: https://www.joyent.com/blog/the-power-of-a-pronoun That blog post is why I resolved never to do business with Bryan Cantrill or Joyent. I don't know if it influenced others to do likewise, but I can't imagine that it actually helped the company succeed.

But the entire point of the post you linked is that they don't work together.
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