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Obama-Endorsed VC Program Promises 6,000 New Startups

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... now they want to run some fascist incubator ... Are you seriously calling this fascism?

Let's call if corporatism. It means the same thing but people will whine less about the semantics.

Fair enough, fascism also has non-economic context and that's not the point I was making.

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I don't think this sounds that bad, to be honest.

Traditionally, and for various reasons, some to do with bargaining-power in the market, some with (good, but patronizing) care for citizens, others with bureaucracy, gave benefits to large, international corporations (tax breaks, complicated regulations that keep small competitors out, and the occasional bailout...).

And now startups get some support too. I see where most criticism here is coming from, but honestly, in the pragmatic scheme of things, this could actually help startups, and thus the economy, by leveling the playing-field (a bit) again...

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So policymakers have wrecked traditional capital markets through regulations on raising capital, interest rate distortions, twisted tax policy, patent law abuse, and anti-hiring labor policy, and now they are going to "fix" VC markets for us. Thanks. The feds can't even protect the border or catch Osama bin Laden and now they want to run some fascist incubator to give the political class even greater control over our…

When this was first announced a couple weeks ago, I read the "fact sheet" posted. In it they talked about an emphasis on putting the money into "disadvantaged areas" and "focusing on innovative technologies like clean energy". So, your concern about investments being made more based on political pull than on merit is well founded. Over 50 years ago an environment of heavy government regulation and anti-competitive le…

"The money must come from taxes or inflation," that's not how gov economics work. You borrow that money, hence you only pay the interest (until you can't). Now this model can be sustained as long as the economy grows faster than the interest you have to pay. This is why deficits spending isn't in itself that bad, it's the size of the deficit that's the issue. (probably oversimplified the whole issue but that's what I got from second semester of macroecon)

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There's a big billboard here in KC for the Kauffman Foundation's Education Startup Funding program. I thought "heck, that would be awesome, to be backed by the Kauffman Foundation!". Then I looked into it, you pretty much have to live in the ghetto to be involved in the program. Well, my wife wasn't too keen on moving to the ghetto, so I guess I'll try somewhere else.

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Either way government money flows to VC's doesn't it? How would this be any different than say a pension fund who receives government money and invests that in a VC fund? It seems like this would almost be an American sovereign wealth fund, sort of like Singapore and the Temasek Holdings company. It's better that the money go to startups and innovation rather than buying more sub-prime mortgage securities.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

When this was first announced a couple weeks ago, I read the "fact sheet" posted. In it they talked about an emphasis on putting the money into "disadvantaged areas" and "focusing on innovative technologies like clean energy". So, your concern about investments being made more based on political pull than on merit is well founded. Over 50 years ago an environment of heavy government regulation and anti-competitive le…

"The money must come from taxes or inflation," that's not how gov economics work. You borrow that money, hence you only pay the interest (until you can't). Now this model can be sustained as long as the economy grows faster than the interest you have to pay. This is why deficits spending isn't in itself that bad, it's the size of the deficit that's the issue. (probably oversimplified the whole issue but that's what I…

Sorry, the government can't create wealth for free. If the government wants to allocate dollars, it must at some point come from taxes (pulling dollars in the economy back out of it) or inflation (printing more dollars and decreasing the value currently held dollars). Now, the economy may grow such that the amount of wealth in the future is much larger than the amount we have now, and therefore represents a smaller fraction of the economy, but the fact remains that the wealth comes from somewhere.

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I find it amusing that the top-ranked comment describes the program as "fascist"

For decades, big corporations and venture capitalists (and their lobbyists) have used every trick in the book to get themselves special advantages.

Huge loopholes mean that the effective US corporate is the fourth lowest rate in the OECD (though the official tax rate is the second highest in the OECD). This is a great example of dysfunctional government intervention, but one that won't go away (because cutting loopholes is demonized as "raising taxes")

VC earnings (and for that matter long-term capital gains) are taxed at a much lower rate than W2 earnings of an employee. All of these things are due to government interventions (ostensibly to promote economic growth and create the "right" incentives)

I'm not a fan of big government intervention and I don't know much about the "Obama endorsed VC program". So I'm open to legitimate criticism of the program.

However, if folks are going to describe it as "fascist", I'd be interested to know why they haven't described the current system (with all of its tax loopholes and incentives) as fascist

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I sense a little cynicism here. I currently work for a startup and most of their capitol was NIH funded. We are currently releasing 3 or 4 commercial products this year. We are hiring like crazy. I understand a certain distrust of government but I think there is a disservice to assume everything government touches is corrupt (or at least 100% corrupt) You really don't have to look further than the scientific community. The limitations I've seen from NIH funding most people would agree with, like we can't share private data specifically about users.

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There's a big billboard here in KC for the Kauffman Foundation's Education Startup Funding program. I thought "heck, that would be awesome, to be backed by the Kauffman Foundation!". Then I looked into it, you pretty much have to live in the ghetto to be involved in the program. Well, my wife wasn't too keen on moving to the ghetto, so I guess I'll try somewhere else.

There are a lot of people who HAVE to live there. So just be glad you have a choice.

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... now they want to run some fascist incubator ... Are you seriously calling this fascism?

From Wikipedia: "An inherent aspect of fascist economies was economic dirigisme, meaning an economy where the government exerts strong directive influence, and effectively controls production and allocation of resources. In general, apart from the nationalizations of some industries, fascist economies were based on private property and private initiative, but these were contingent upon service to the state."

Not to be flippant, but 'strong directive influence' and 'contingent upon service to the state' for the entire economy is a far cry from a tiny fund of money.
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