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Show HN: A open source Heroku-like PaaS that runs on your server

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Re: Show HN: A open source Heroku-like PaaS that runs on your server

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Post by markwahl »

dmlittle wrote: post #19

People at Convox[1] and Remind101 are doing similar open-source work. Convox's business model is selling you the managed version of their open source rack. We've been using Convox in production for over 3 years now and we've had pretty good success with it. It's not perfect but the UX improvement for developers when building docker images, promoting new builds or rolling back cannot be understated. Remind101 has buil…

I might be wrong, but isn't Convox only operational in the AWS cloud. If I want to run Convox on Azure, GCP or bluemix, will this be possible?

The empire alternative pointed out also appears to be another option only operational in the AWS cloud.

Re: Show HN: A open source Heroku-like PaaS that runs on your server

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Post by dmlittle »

markwahl wrote: post #21
dmlittle wrote: post #19

People at Convox[1] and Remind101 are doing similar open-source work. Convox's business model is selling you the managed version of their open source rack. We've been using Convox in production for over 3 years now and we've had pretty good success with it. It's not perfect but the UX improvement for developers when building docker images, promoting new builds or rolling back cannot be understated. Remind101 has buil…

I might be wrong, but isn't Convox only operational in the AWS cloud. If I want to run Convox on Azure, GCP or bluemix, will this be possible? The empire alternative pointed out also appears to be another option only operational in the AWS cloud.

Correct, both the Convox ECS rack and Empire are AWS exclusive. Convox has a public-beta of their rack running on Kubernetes which is cloud agnostic as it only needs a Kubernetes cluster to operate in.

Re: Show HN: A open source Heroku-like PaaS that runs on your server

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Post by markwahl »

dmlittle wrote: post #22
markwahl wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I might be wrong, but isn't Convox only operational in the AWS cloud. If I want to run Convox on Azure, GCP or bluemix, will this be possible? The empire alternative pointed out also appears to be another option only operational in the AWS cloud.

Correct, both the Convox ECS rack and Empire are AWS exclusive. Convox has a public-beta of their rack running on Kubernetes which is cloud agnostic as it only needs a Kubernetes cluster to operate in.

Does Convox provision and manage the underlying Kubernetes cluster or depends on the Cloud provider's managed Kubernetes offering?

Re: Show HN: A open source Heroku-like PaaS that runs on your server

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Post by josegonzalez »

mappu wrote: post #13
revendell_elf wrote: post #2

How is it different than Dokku?

Dokku is available now. This landing page says RepoBus will have "Deploy to multiple servers", "Aggregated logs + search", and "Aggregated metrics + alerts" (and maybe others) that I think Dokku doesn't have.

Dokku does have deployment to multiple servers, albeit plugins to deploy to a kubernetes[1] or nomad[2] cluster.

[1] https://github.com/dokku/dokku-scheduler-kubernetes [2] https://github.com/dokku/dokku-scheduler-nomad

Re: Show HN: A open source Heroku-like PaaS that runs on your server

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Post by dmlittle »

markwahl wrote: post #23
dmlittle wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Correct, both the Convox ECS rack and Empire are AWS exclusive. Convox has a public-beta of their rack running on Kubernetes which is cloud agnostic as it only needs a Kubernetes cluster to operate in.

Does Convox provision and manage the underlying Kubernetes cluster or depends on the Cloud provider's managed Kubernetes offering?

Convox does not manage the underlying Kubernetes cluster. If you're using EKS it's managed by AWS, GKE by GCP, AKS by Azure, etc. If you're using a self-hosted cluster, then it's up to you to manage it. The Convox platform runs as Kubernetes CRDS so it is cloud agnostic.

Re: Show HN: A open source Heroku-like PaaS that runs on your server

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Post by kasra85 »

harrisreynolds wrote: post #20
probst wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The github issue you linked to and the discussion it contains is the reason I am sticking with dokku. The CapRover maintainer seems to argue in bad faith and not have the users best interest at heart.

Agree. It does not inspire confidence to recommend a product and quickly follow it up with worries about spyware. And dokku works well for my use cases.

Author here. Just to be clear, this is false information. It's a toxic thread.

1) The author of that thread is calling a software with analytics a spyware. By that definition, any website you use, including this very website you left a comment on, is spyware.

2) NetData is built-in, but it's not enabled by default. Use is free to install/ or not to install the package.

Re: Show HN: A open source Heroku-like PaaS that runs on your server

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Post by sneak »

kasra85 wrote: post #26
harrisreynolds wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree. It does not inspire confidence to recommend a product and quickly follow it up with worries about spyware. And dokku works well for my use cases.

Author here. Just to be clear, this is false information. It's a toxic thread. 1) The author of that thread is calling a software with analytics a spyware. By that definition, any website you use, including this very website you left a comment on, is spyware. 2) NetData is built-in, but it's not enabled by default. Use is free to install/ or not to install the package.

Silent surveillance, which is not disclosed to the user. Additionally, the user's IP (and thus location) is also provided to Google with the surveillance data.

Webpages and local software are not the same thing. Local software does not need to report my activity to Google, a third party, to work. Webpages do require second party communication to function.

Surely you realize the difference. Your attempt to conflate the two is not productive.

Re: Show HN: A open source Heroku-like PaaS that runs on your server

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Post by kasra85 »

sneak wrote: post #27
kasra85 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Author here. Just to be clear, this is false information. It's a toxic thread. 1) The author of that thread is calling a software with analytics a spyware. By that definition, any website you use, including this very website you left a comment on, is spyware. 2) NetData is built-in, but it's not enabled by default. Use is free to install/ or not to install the package.

Silent surveillance, which is not disclosed to the user. Additionally, the user's IP (and thus location) is also provided to Google with the surveillance data. Webpages and local software are not the same thing. Local software does not need to report my activity to Google, a third party, to work. Webpages do require second party communication to function. Surely you realize the difference. Your attempt to conflate th…

If you believe they're the same thing, let's call it "analytics" then, exactly what it is. Let's avoid using the terms like spyware or etc which is an umbrella term which covers very serious damages such as stealing your bank info.

Re: Show HN: A open source Heroku-like PaaS that runs on your server

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Post by sneak »

kasra85 wrote: post #28
sneak wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Silent surveillance, which is not disclosed to the user. Additionally, the user's IP (and thus location) is also provided to Google with the surveillance data. Webpages and local software are not the same thing. Local software does not need to report my activity to Google, a third party, to work. Webpages do require second party communication to function. Surely you realize the difference. Your attempt to conflate th…

If you believe they're the same thing, let's call it "analytics" then, exactly what it is. Let's avoid using the terms like spyware or etc which is an umbrella term which covers very serious damages such as stealing your bank info.

Transmitting a user's activity silently and without their consent is called spying, not analytics.

The way that such surveillance is legitimized into not-spyware is via obtaining AFFIRMATIVE consent from the user.

Without that, it's spying, and software that does so is spyware. It's quite simple.

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